Real or fake news about Hamas?

timewerx · Feb 22, 2025

Example news below.

We had lots of fake news before to stir anger against Hamas or Palestinians from early to mid-conflict.

And now when I ask these questions in comments section in youtube, my comments are getting auto-deleted.

So it seems bots or AI are actively engaged to filter out even valid scrutiny of these reports. Generally to Israel and USA's favor.

It's only valid to scrutinize these article due to fake news and false propaganda spreading early in the conflict.

I think things are really bad now especially that AI is now being weaponized to silence even valid scrutiny. Can't trust any news anymore.

Hazelelponi · Feb 22, 2025

timewerx said:
to stir anger against Hamas

You don't need lies for that. That's the problem. You need lies to support them.

Desk trauma · Feb 22, 2025

Are we back at “the facts of the atrocities were not flawless reported so none of them happen” stage again?

Laodicean60 · Feb 22, 2025

timewerx said:
We had lots of fake news before to stir anger against Hamas or Palestinians from early to mid-conflict.

I think Oct 7 stirred all the anger that we see today. Because I've watched Hamas for several years harming Israel and the video doesn't surprise me of its truthfulness of the hate.

stevevw · Feb 22, 2025

What stands out for me if we take a step back is that pretty well soon after Oct 7ths anti-semetism began to rise. Almost like this was a ready and waiting reaction that is deep in our spirit.

If this was any other conflict I don't think there would be so much hate for one side and denial of astrosoties of the other.

That is very telling and seems to point to something deeper going on. Perhaps more spiritual. We know many hate the Jews from our history. Why is that. It seems to provoke something more than what the situation warrants.

DaisyDay · Feb 22, 2025

Laodicean60 said:
I think Oct 7 stirred all the anger that we see today. Because I've watched Hamas for several years harming Israel and the video doesn't surprise me of its truthfulness of the hate.

It's not as though Oct 7 happened in a vacuum.

Laodicean60 · Feb 22, 2025

DaisyDay said:
It's not as though Oct 7 happened in a vacuum.

No, but " I've watched Hamas for several years harming Israel and the video doesn't surprise me of its truthfulness of the hate."

DaisyDay · Feb 22, 2025

Laodicean60 said:
No, but " I've watched Hamas for several years harming Israel and the video doesn't surprise me of its truthfulness of the hate."

I've been watching the reverse for decades.

Hazelelponi · Feb 22, 2025

DaisyDay said:
It's not as though Oct 7 happened in a vacuum.

It happens during a ceasefire. Oct.7 was during a ceasefire.

Blaming Israel because Hamas wants to kill Jews so much they can't even honor a ceasefire is a bridge too far.

tmtj · Feb 22, 2025

DaisyDay said:
It's not as though Oct 7 happened in a vacuum.

No, it happened in the context of a brainwashed population and a "civilization" which thinks it's ok to murder people to satiate their grievances.

Landon Caeli · Mar 23, 2025

DaisyDay said:
It's not as though Oct 7 happened in a vacuum.

Doesn’t matter. It was highly uncalled for... Reprehensible... Wicked... Disgraceful...

...Unforgivable.

FireDragon76 · Mar 23, 2025

tmtj said:
No, it happened in the context of a brainwashed population and a "civilization" which thinks it's ok to murder people to satiate their grievances.

That's islamophobic rhetoric. Muslims in general do not countenance murder any more than Christians do.

Hamas is primarily a political group. It doesn't represent Islam. Islam is not monolithic.

Netenyahu had plenty of chances to secure the border with Gaza. Instead he relied on a flimsy security system and diverted his troops to the West Bank to harass Palestinians living near illegally occupied Israeli settlements. Then he tried to cut a deal with the Saudi regime, bypassing an actual peace process that would produce lasting peace, as most people in the region want.

Landon Caeli · Mar 23, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
That's islamophobic rhetoric. Muslims in general do not countenance murder any more than Christians do.

Islam does not guide it's followers in the proper way. It's a cheap imitation of actual religion.

...Of course, this does not help the Muslims in any way. In fact, it makes them worse off than they would have been without it.

FireDragon76 · Mar 23, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Islam does not guide it's followers in the proper way. It's a cheap imitation of actual religion.

What is the "proper" way? If you're talking about morality in the conventional sense, many Muslims are very much capable of being virtuous people. Some are exemplary.

Landon Caeli · Mar 23, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
What is the "proper" way? If you're talking about morality in the conventional sense, many Muslims are very much capable of being virtuous people. Some are exemplary.

A minority it seems, but that's despite their religion.

Stephen3141 · Apr 5, 2025

Why not try reading from 20 different news sources, on the google
main news page?

News sources are pretty agreed on the basic fact that Hamas is a
terrorist organization.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 5, 2025

Stephen3141 said:
Why not try reading from 20 different news sources, on the google
main news page?

News sources are pretty agreed on the basic fact that Hamas is a
terrorist organization.

The Intifada Times seems neutral, Hamas Today has a good article on underground dwelling, the PLO weekly just isn't the same since Oslo, and Helsballah here we come is now nothing but iranian satire.

Stephen3141 · Apr 8, 2025

Aryeh...

The Google news page runs articles from dozens of news sources.

You will not find Hamas Today, or (often) Al Jezeerah among them.
Fox News is only sometines quoted.

If you look at what most democratic countries think are reliable news
sources, Hamas Today is NOT one of them. If you read from dozens of
news sources, you will get a more global view of what is going on.

ThatRobGuy · Apr 8, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
That's islamophobic rhetoric. Muslims in general do not countenance murder any more than Christians do.

Then why does that type of behavior seem to be so much more pervasive and pronounced in that religion than many of the others?

I would imagine the doctrine has at least a little bit to do with that, no?

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123)

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).

- Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Quran 8:12)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Quran 9:5)

And if you start to delve into the concept of "honor killings" (which the consider a righteous death penalty, and not murder) that's a whole other can of worms.

FireDragon76 · Apr 8, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Then why does that type of behavior seem to be so much more pervasive and pronounced in that religion than many of the others?

I would imagine the doctrine has at least a little bit to do with that, no?

Many people really need to learn to see religion through more than a Protestant-esque default lens, much less one based on essentializing something so complex and variagiated.

Religious expression is more than doctrine, it also touches upon sociological, psychological, and cultural factors that have nothing to do with doctrine.

Islam isn't even monolithic in doctrine, much less cultural context.

ThatRobGuy said:
- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123)

Which is all subject to many interpretations, depending on ones Quranic hermeneutic. It isn't understood by most Muslims as requiring hostility to non-Muslims.

ThatRobGuy said:
And if you start to delve into the concept of "honor killings" (which the consider a righteous death penalty, and not murder) that's a whole other can of worms.

Honor-shame cultures, especially those with less developed social structures, may respond differently to profound sin or offenses than cultures with guilt consciousness, such as modern Protestant or Catholic ones. This reflects less on Islam as a doctrine than it does different psychic structures and modes of being in the world that predate Islam.

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