I do not know if this "Paradise" is in what we might call heaven, but they are not in some tomb, but a really nice place.
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Did the Thief on the Cross go to Paradise on Crucifixion Friday?
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Very good!!!
We only need to look at what others are saying, so we can best see how to teach them, start where you agree. Having the correct is yours, but you have to help other reach their correct answer.
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The "Kingdom" is a Spiritual Kingdom extending from the thrown of God in heaven to each disciple here on earth, so expanding the Kingdom here on earth just means adding disciples.
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Both of their bodies were in tombs. But I think you are referring to their souls as being separate from their bodies.
So far, the interpretations I have encountered here are as follows:
- My OP interpretation: that Jesus was not promising the thief anything for that actual day, and there is possibly a misplaced comma.
- That Jesus was promising something to happen that actual day:
- That they both rose to a heavenly paradise (where the Father and angels are).
- That "paradise" describes a location in "hell" (the grave) that is pleasant.
- That "paradise" refers to some other unknown pleasant location
KT
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Not if you are resurrected.
You is not consciousness. What makes you - the person - you?
Is it not your character, which you developed, from birth till present?
Does God not know every bit of information about you... from the number of hairs on your head, to the length of your toes?
Does the DNA code of every human escape God?
What would be so hard then for God to give you a body, and transfer all that data into your genome?
That is not a copy. The only difference between what you had before dying, is the new body, which is not defective - sick, and dying, like the old body.
When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, his body had already started decaying, where the worms were feeding on his flesh.
When Lazarus came out, his body was not rotting flesh, because his body was repaired.
Getting a new body from God, is not a repairing of the body, but a completely new body, with the information God has recorded, inserted into the genome.
The person that is raised up, is the same.
We can understand then, what Jesus meant, when he said, they are all alive to him (Luke 20:38), and all those in the mnémeion - Derived from μνῆμα (mnēma: Memory, remembrance, memorial), which means "a memorial" or "a remembrance." will hear his voice. John 5:28
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I like your analogy and even liked your post. However, isn't the data in the cloud a copy and not the original? I think you made a good point, I just want to see your answer to someone who would claim the data in the cloud is itself a copy.
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From Jesus' parables and what he said directly, His Kingdom is not of this world and is Spiritual, so why can it not exist right now all around us in the Spiritual realm?
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It can, but in typical human fashion, man created a government/religion using God rather than changing themselves to do His will and teach accordingly. Gentile Christianity officially remained in the flesh as had the Sanhedrin while the few on the narrow path followed the will of God.
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What you said was:
The scripture I quoted clearly states that Apollos had the Holy Spirit but knew only the Gospel of John before Aquila and Priscilla trained him more completely in the Gospel of Jesus.
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@RDKirk made a good point.
I think the question that would come next, is, are those who believe they are indwelled by the holy spirit, willing to allow someone to take them aside, and expounded unto them the way of God more perfectly?
How would you respond to that?
I'd say that while one cannot prove with any claim, that they are indwelled by the holy spirit, and do not need anyone to teach them, the scriptures are the best teacher, and it points out conflicts of one's beliefs with the scriptures themselves.
So, for that reason, there is no need to accept the argument from authority fallacy, because the opinion of authority figures are fallible, and not inerrant to students of the Bible.
The scriptures determine where the comma should rightly be placed, if one sees the need for a comma.
Reading the text without a comma, leaves it uncorrupted by theological perspectives, and we still get the truth from the scriptures themselves, which clearly state that Jesus was buried - laid in a tomb - the day he died, and for three days, he remained there.
After being raised up - resurrected to life, Jesus remained on the earth forty days, before ascending into heaven.
Going outside the scriptures, one can come up with all sorts of imaginative ideas, such as...
- Jesus went to paradise. Imagined, and not in scripture.
- The thief went to paradise. Imagined, and not in scripture.
- Jesus' soul or spirit went to paradise. Imagined, and not in scripture.
- The thief's soul or spirit went to paradise. Imagined, and not in scripture.
If one wants to have theological arguments that never end, these kinds of arguments would certainly dominate a thread, but if the scriptures are the authority, and what is used to establish what the truth is, then one should bury their ideas, and show the scriptures that support their view.
I'm certainly for the latter. I don't know if that is what @KevinT is looking for.
What about you?
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Paul advises us in Romans that there can be such a thing as a "disputable matter" between Christians, but it should not lead to division.
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