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As Trump Drains the Swamp, Which Alphabet Agencies Should Go First?

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HARK! said:

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But not all of those (if any) are part of the Executive Branch, so he will have to at least get the Republican Congress' rubber stamp on dissolving them.
 
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HARK! said:
This needs to be reevaluated. These bureaucracies take a vague law and write whatever code comes to their imaginations, and then change it at their whims.

This leads to the instability of our government.

In addition some of these same agencies also enforce the codes that they write. They serve as the Legislative and the Executive, thereby undermining the separation of powers, thereby undermining our Constitutional Republic.

Then there is the IRS,, who write the code, enforce the code, and have their own courts, thereby rolling all three branches of government in to one branch of faceless unelected bureaucrats.

So much for Democracy.
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You think anything is going to get done by magic?

Let's just do away with the DoD and let their job be done by the same magic.

Bureaucracy, by its nature, is conservative. It doesn't detract from stability, it adds to stability.
 
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RDKirk said:
You think anything is going to get done by magic?

Let's just do away with the DoD and let their job be done by the same magic.

Bureaucracy, by its nature, is conservative. It doesn't detract from stability, it adds to stability.
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Now that you mention it.. getting rid of the DoD and the DA, DON, DAF and USMC under it would be in line with the original intent of the Constitution.
 
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RDKirk said:
But not all of those (if any) are part of the Executive Branch, so he will have to at least get the Republican Congress' rubber stamp on dissolving them.
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There is a lot of chatter within the Republican Congress to pull to get Trumps agenda accomplished, that the American People have made it clear that they stand with Trump.
 
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RDKirk said:
You think anything is going to get done by magic?

Let's just do away with the DoD and let their job be done by the same magic.

Bureaucracy, by its nature, is conservative. It doesn't detract from stability, it adds to stability.
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Did you miss the preamble to that statement?
 
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HARK! said:
This needs to be reevaluated. These bureaucracies take a vague law and write whatever code comes to their imaginations, and then change it at their whims.

This leads to the instability of our government.

In addition some of these same agencies also enforce the codes that they write. They serve as the Legislative and the Executive, thereby undermining the separation of powers, thereby undermining our Constitutional Republic.

Then there is the IRS,, who write the code, enforce the code, and have their own courts, thereby rolling all three branches of government in to one branch of faceless unelected bureaucrats.

So much for Democracy.
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The laws are created by Congress. If they are too vague, whose fault is that? Perhaps it is the fault of the elected members of Congress. The regulations are written by agencies headed by Secretaries appointed by an elected President and approved by an elected Senate. The regulations are written to enforce and administer the law according to procedures laid down by an elected Congress. The elected Congress has oversight of the entire Executive Branch and its activities, including the writing and enforcing of regulations. The Courts also have oversight, presided over by Judges put in office by an elected Senate.

So much for Democracy.
 
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All it does is give the courts more oversight into the writing of regulations by the regulatory agencies. It does not give them authority to write law. That is the responsibility of Congress and remains so.
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The Agencies have no authority period. The courts do.
 
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RDKirk said:
You think anything is going to get done by magic?

Let's just do away with the DoD and let their job be done by the same magic.

Bureaucracy, by its nature, is conservative. It doesn't detract from stability, it adds to stability.
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Not when they assume power they should not have. That is the problem.
 
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Not when they assume power they should not have. That is the problem.
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Reality: That doesn't happen. What might certainly happen is some foot dragging when faced with radical changes...that's the "conservativeness" of the normal bureaucracy that I mentioned, and, frankly, that's a good thing for the nation.
 
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Now that you mention it.. getting rid of the DoD and the DA, DON, DAF and USMC under it would be in line with the original intent of the Constitution.
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Not the USMC, which is a corps of the Navy, was such when the Constitution was written, and thus authorized directly by the Constitution.
 
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Well i would like to see the Dept of Education go for one. But when you look at the shear number of them, I have no idea where to start. When you start looking at them all it's mind boggling.
I would absolutely abolish the IRS and replace it with a flat tax. But it would take me some time to go through the list and see what they do. Hours worth of work. Just goes to show how bloated this government is.
 
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Reality: That doesn't happen.
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Reality: The chevron decision. That is exactly what that decision concerned. It did happen.
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What might certainly happen is some foot dragging when faced with radical changes...that's the "conservativeness" of the normal bureaucracy that I mentioned, and, frankly, that's a good thing for the nation.
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Filling an agency with idealogue experts is the problem. Relying on those certain experts, as "the experts. no more. The Daniel Penny trial can serve as an example. Both sides had medical experts, disagree. Therefore, the jury each one takes into consideration, the arguments of each. They cancel each other out. Good thing because the trial should be about if Penny had the right to self defense, not what killed the victim..
 
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ralliann said:
Not when they assume power they should not have. That is the problem.
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Says who? That is a blatantly false statement and I think you know it. You're just using it as a cover for your own agenda.
 
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HARK! said:

Education and broadcasting​

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Independent agencies, tribunals, and government-owned corporations - PBS and NPR are not agencies.
 
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Reality: The chevron decision. That is exactly what that decision concerned. It did happen.

Filling an agency with idealogue experts is the problem. Relying on those certain experts, as "the experts. no more. The Daniel Penny trial can serve as an example. Both sides had medical experts, disagree. Therefore, the jury each one takes into consideration, the arguments of each. They cancel each other out. Good thing because the trial should be about if Penny had the right to self defense, not what killed the victim..
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Remind me of what the Penny case has to do with federal regulatory agencies.
 
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Congress is the source of the agencies authority, not the courts.
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Congress is the authority source of statutes. Agencies may enforce those statutes. Enforcing Congresses power. They have no authority on their own to make or write statutes.....
 
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Says who? That is a blatantly false statement and I think you know it. You're just using it as a cover for your own agenda.
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THE CHEVRON DECISION, SAYS YOU ARE WRONG. These agencies are often accused of this.... It does not matter now. It is out of their hands.
 
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