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Jipsah said:

I dunno, maybe that's why they have to be translated for us, you reckon?

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Korea needs the Bible.

Jipsah said:

Me? I'm good at the Jacobean/Shakespearean stuff.

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Good.

Jipsah said:

"Use makes master" as they might have said in the 18th century. right?

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Sounds good.

Jipsah said:

I've read the KJV all my life, and pretty much everything Old Bill Shakespeare ever wrote, so it doesn't daunt me very much.

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That's nice.

What about those in Korea who don't have the Bible in their language?

Jipsah said:

Then again, I have a considerably easier time with Korean and Chinese than the average American as well.

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Neat.

Jipsah said:

The idea is for people to read and understand the Bible.

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Yes, I'm familiar with the concept.

God calls people to be missionaries and translate the Bible into other languages.

Jipsah said:

If the Korean Church had wanted it to be a challenge, they'd have left it in Chinese.

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I don't care what the Korean Church wants.

I care what God wants.

And if God sees Koreans who are destitute of His word, He just may call missionaries to translate His word into Korean.

With or without your permission.

Postvieww said:

You said:”Seems reasonable to acknowledge that Donald Trump and his allies are opposed to scientific evidence, higher education and public spending on research.” That is a broad sweeping statement! But we can break it down. 1. All claims about climate change are NOT settled science. 2. All information put out by the medical community particularly as related to Covid was not all accurate. 3. The majority of higher learning institutions are absolutely brainwashing centers. 4. Much of public education is teaching crap not suitable for children. So yes you made a broad sweeping accusation against Trump and his allies.

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Show me a scientific topic where Trump and Republicans personal beliefs are congruous with what scientists in that field would argue.

AV1611VET said:

Korea needs the Bible.

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And they have it, in their own language.

AV1611VET said:

What about those in Korea who don't have the Bible in their language?

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You could bring your own. They won't force you to try and read theirs.

AV1611VET said:

God calls people to be missionaries and translate the Bible into other languages.

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Yeah, that's how the KJV came to be, innit?

AV1611VET said:

I don't care what the Korean Church wants.

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Fair play, I don't think they've really agonized about your opinion of the Korean Bible, either.

AV1611VET said:

I care what God wants.

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As long as He wants it to be the KJV.

AV1611VET said:

And if God sees Koreans who are destitute of His word, He just may call missionaries to translate His word into Korean.

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And in fact He did.

AV1611VET said:

With or without your permission.

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Or your approval of the source docs they translated from.

AV1611VET said:

Because you didn't give Him permission?

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To do what? Translate a previous translation of the Bible written in an antiquated form of English no longer spoken anywhere, into another language that bears little or no resemblance to English of any kind at all? No, I didn't give my permission, largely because I wasn't asked for it. I doubt that anyone else was asked, either. I suspect that God's having moved the Scottish Presbyterians to send John Ross to Korea (or Joseon, as it was then known) to translate the Scriptures into the Korean language, in the Korean alphabet wasn;t submitted for anyone's approval, and that neither was anyone's opinion asked. I'm sure you'd have advised against it, and instead insisted that the Koreans should instead be taught 17th century English and given King James bibles.

AV1611VET said:

But the average person in China or Korea understands Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Syriac ... right?

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About as much as you do, which is why they read the Scriptures in... Korean. Imagine that!

AV1611VET said:

The last time I heard someone in Walmart talking like this:

우리는 모두 그리스도 예수를 믿음으로 말미암아 하나님의 자녀가 되었습니다.

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You're more likely to hear that in a Korean Church

Jipsah said:

I'm sure you'd have advised against it, and instead insisted that the Koreans should instead be taught 17th century English and given King James bibles.

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Why did you say this, in light of Post 118, where I said:

AV1611VET said:

So if God can translate Hebrew/Greek/Aramic/Syriac to Korean, He can certainly translate Jacobean English to Korean.

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I've been saying all along that the Koreans should have the King James Version of the Bible in their language.

Then you make a doosey of a statement like that.

Let's just stop right here, if you're not going to pay attention to what I'm saying.

Fair enough?

AV1611VET said:

I've been saying all along that the Koreans should have the King James Version of the Bible in their language.

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Why? Because John Ross and his people were incompetent and/or doctored the translation to make it favor some doctrinal presupositions of their own? I know of no Korean Bible scholar (yes, there are Korean Bible scholars, a good many of them, in fact) who has expressed an opinion to that effect.

And, tbh, the whole idea has the ring of plain old cultural chauvinism. "Never mind all those old MSS, you'll just get it wrong. Use ours instead, we've done all the heavy linguistic lifting for you."

AV1611VET said:

Let's just stop right here, if you're not going to pay attention to what I'm saying.
Fair enough?

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Yeah, that saw cuts both ways. Fare you well.

rambot said:

Show me a scientific topic where Trump and Republicans personal beliefs are congruous with what scientists in that field would argue.

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My point was that ALL scientists in any field are not in agreement on many issues. Your premise is flawed and irrelevant.

Postvieww said:

My point was that ALL scientists in any field are not in agreement on many issues. Your premise is flawed and irrelevant.

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If that was the case find scientists that agree with Trump. Should be easy.

My point is that scientists don't agree with Trump...and that Republicans are antiscience.

That's not a surprise.

since this post has triggered a sequence of claims that are difficult to parse, I am commenting on this post directly rather than #126.

Postvieww said:

You said:”Seems reasonable to acknowledge that Donald Trump and his allies are opposed to scientific evidence, higher education and public spending on research.” That is a broad sweeping statement! But we can break it down.

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OK, let's...

Postvieww said:

1. All claims about climate change are NOT settled science.

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The construction of this as "all claims" provides escape, but it does not confront the reality of the situation. The *major* conclusions of climate science are accepted (settled if you like) by the vast majority of those working in the field of climatology. Climate change is not a hoax as Trump or his allies often claim.

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2. All information put out by the medical community particularly as related to Covid was not all accurate.

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Again, the absolutist formulation -- "all information" and "all accurate" distorts the record. Is this choice deliberate? With less time to check results and conclusions, the fraction of less accurate information was higher than is usual, but the vast majority was presented with the best available information at the time. Some of those claims have been resolved in different directions after the fact, but that is how science works. Trump's allies have pushed (and continue to push) false and often dangerous claims relating to COVID in defiance of evidence. Oddly, Trump is *less* prone to this because he was both briefed on the best information of the moment in the peak of the crisis while President and he rightly takes nominal credit for some government accomplishments which his allies decry.

Postvieww said:

3. The majority of higher learning institutions are absolutely brainwashing centers.

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Neither relevant nor true.

Postvieww said:

4. Much of public education is teaching crap not suitable for children.

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Neither relevant nor true.

Postvieww said:

So yes you made a broad sweeping accusation against Trump and his allies.

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"sweeping accusations" that shorten the conversation and avoid pedantic conversations, but yet, on the whole, correct.