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Göbekli Tepe

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Göbekli Tepe is interesting for a lot of different reasons. They believe this was built in 9000BC. This would have been 5000 years before Adam and Eve. This seems to be an advanced structure compared to the Tower of Babel that we read about in our Bible. Still the art and archecture does fit in with the way man has developed and evolved. It is another piece in the puzzle.

People get upset because Science challenges their beliefs about the Bible. They never stop to think perhaps they need to be challenged to come to a better understanding. Because God clearly wants us to know what He has done. He give us tons of evidence to examine so we can know He is God and He created us.

Nothing in Science contradicts the Bible. God gives us science and the Bible and He is not even able to contradict Himself.
 

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Göbekli Tepe is interesting for a lot of different reasons. They believe this was built in 9000BC. This would have been 5000 years before Adam and Eve. This seems to be an advanced structure compared to the Tower of Babel that we read about in our Bible. Still the art and archecture does fit in with the way man has developed and evolved. It is another piece in the puzzle.

People get upset because Science challenges their beliefs about the Bible. They never stop to think perhaps they need to be challenged to come to a better understanding. Because God clearly wants us to know what He has done. He give us tons of evidence to examine so we can know He is God and He created us.

Nothing in Science contradicts the Bible. God gives us science and the Bible and He is not even able to contradict Himself.
Science is man's nomenclature for discovering God's creation. Shameful that it has been made evil because one man decided to veer from God's perfect laws. Darwin corrupted perfection.
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Darwin corrupted perfection.
Darwin wrote a book and he was happy to stuff money in his pocket. He was smart enough to know if you want to sell books you have to create a controversy. He had argued with sailors for five years. So he knew exactly how to create a controversy.
 
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Göbekli Tepe is interesting for a lot of different reasons. They believe this was built in 9000BC. This would have been 5000 years before Adam and Eve. This seems to be an advanced structure compared to the Tower of Babel that we read about in our Bible. Still the art and archecture does fit in with the way man has developed and evolved. It is another piece in the puzzle.

People get upset because Science challenges their beliefs about the Bible. They never stop to think perhaps they need to be challenged to come to a better understanding. Because God clearly wants us to know what He has done. He give us tons of evidence to examine so we can know He is God and He created us.

Nothing in Science contradicts the Bible. God gives us science and the Bible and He is not even able to contradict Himself.
Those objects don't come with a calendar date stamped on them. In areas where sciences is only giving "its best guess" you can sometimes get conflict between its "best guess" and what God's word says.
 
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Göbekli Tepe is interesting for a lot of different reasons. They believe this was built in 9000BC. This would have been 5000 years before Adam and Eve. This seems to be an advanced structure compared to the Tower of Babel that we read about in our Bible. Still the art and archecture does fit in with the way man has developed and evolved. It is another piece in the puzzle.

People get upset because Science challenges their beliefs about the Bible. They never stop to think perhaps they need to be challenged to come to a better understanding. Because God clearly wants us to know what He has done. He give us tons of evidence to examine so we can know He is God and He created us.

Nothing in Science contradicts the Bible. God gives us science and the Bible and He is not even able to contradict Himself.
If you have faith that God is the creator then it doesn't matter what discoveries or theories science comes up with as we know God is still the creator.

I have been fascinated with Göbekli Tepe and other similar sites. I've watched the doco's including Graham Hancock's ones which are interesting. Not sure I go along with his theories but he does bring up some good points.

A common theme are the monolithes and sort of nature and animal worship. So it seems these early ancient peoples had a fairly sophisticated belief going on. Maybe some of the first to practice belief in a situalistic way.

Some say that these peoples were around soon after the last iceage and perhaps there was a big freeze and deluge that wiped many out. It seems strange that these archeological cites are buried so deep. But I think for some reason these people buried their own places of worship and then disappeared.

I think Hancock claimed that these people were scattered around the globe and we see the monolithes in different locations all having remarkable architecture, struction and precision. Somehow being able to move massive stones into places that defy human ability for that time.

That they had great knowledge and were way more advanced than many archelogists give them credit for. Which would push the birth of civilisation from the time of Mesopotamia around 6,000 years ago to 9 or even 12,000 years ago.

I was thinking they may have been pre flood peoples who had become pagan and were wiped out. I think Hancock also suggests that because these ancient peoples were able to do great feats and their beliefs were about the sky gods that these were aliens who visited these ancient people and gave them the ability to build great monolithes.

Its all very interesting.
 
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A common theme are the monolithes and sort of nature and animal worship. So it seems these early ancient peoples had a fairly sophisticated belief going on. Maybe some of the first to practice belief in a situalistic way.
For me the architecture is very interesting. I really did not expect anything at all like this before the tower of Babel. For me the math and geometry is consistent with the time period. People do not realize how close the connection is between math, science and art.
Somehow being able to move massive stones into places that defy human ability for that time.
I tend to think that these are natural formations so they did not have to put that much work into cutting them. Also it is a lot easier to move a lot of weight than people realize. We see this with the guy who pulls a semi truck with his teeth. They did not have a wheel but they did most likely have logs they could roll things on. Or it could be there were a lot of people involved in the project.

It most likely was some sort of a trading post. Maybe like a flee market where different people can rent some space to set up and sell what they want to sell. There is a huge amount of bones so either there was a lot of food or a lot of furs to keep warm in the colder climate as they moved further north. It could be that people did the work just for the food to stay alive.

There are patterns that we can follow and they need to put the pieces together. For a dispensationalist where a day is equal to 1,000 years the dates line up fine.
 
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For me the architecture is very interesting. I really did not expect anything at all like this before the tower of Babel. For me the math and geometry is consistent with the time period. People do not realize how close the connection is between math, science and art.
I am wondering whether the architecture is related to belief. They could have used smaller stones. It seems crazy to even try to use such heavy and cumbersom material. There is some geometry and astrology involved. They were looking to the skies like it was godlike and gave them energy or perhaps favor with the pagan god spirits that seemed to dictate their lives.
I tend to think that these are natural formations so they did not have to put that much work into cutting them. Also it is a lot easier to move a lot of weight than people realize. We see this with the guy who pulls a semi truck with his teeth. They did not have a wheel but they did most likely have logs they could roll things on. Or it could be there were a lot of people involved in the project.
Actually they have found evidence of the quarries they cut the blocks from. The cuts are like they were done with modern laxer cutters. They also fit together with paper thin gaps even on angles and shaped to the fit exactly. So some serious calculations, geometry and engineering going on.
It most likely was some sort of a trading post. Maybe like a flee market where different people can rent some space to set up and sell what they want to sell. There is a huge amount of bones so either there was a lot of food or a lot of furs to keep warm in the colder climate as they moved further north. It could be that people did the work just for the food to stay alive.
Actually I think the main structure found with the T shaped uprights and the various weird animals, reptiles and almost demon like figures may have been for religion. Perhaps there were animals sort of sacrificed but eaten. It does seem animals were held in high regard like they may have had spirits or certain animals represented good health and wellbeing.

It reminds me a bit of Stone Henge. The structure is impractical for living purposes and more symbolic of belief of some sort. A gathering place for some sort of worship. It seems stones, animals the sky and nature were worshipped like god spirits.

I think from memory they also found village like communities near by. As though they traveled from their dwellings to worship at these strange structures.
There are patterns that we can follow and they need to put the pieces together. For a dispensationalist where a day is equal to 1,000 years the dates line up fine.
I am not too interested in the specific of whether these were pre or post flood peoples. Well I am but not as much as understanding where they fit into our history. Göbekli-Tepe certainly throws a spanner in the works for hujman civilization pushing it back a few thousand years.

We were smarter than we gave credit. But we were also religiously advanced more than people have claimed in saying we were like dumb animal brutes back then.

I think it significant that we can find sophisticated religion and spirituality so early. It shows people knew God but had strayed away and were getting into alternative beliefs about nature.

In fact it seems that even today that people are reverting back to similar beliefs but more modernised. But basically pagan beliefs about nature, animals, the sky, stars, sun and moon like creation itself is god.
 
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Actually they have found evidence of the quarries they cut the blocks from.
I spent a lot of time at the old quarries here. It amazes me that they are able to do that today.
 
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Those objects don't come with a calendar date stamped on them. In areas where sciences is only giving "its best guess" you can sometimes get conflict between its "best guess" and what God's word says.
I have trouble to believe the buildings are as old as they say they are. Pillars have been around a long time. We read about that with Samson. They say this goes back to about the time we read about the walls of Jericho in the Bible.
 
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I am not too interested in the specific of whether these were pre or post flood peoples. Well I am but not as much as understanding where they fit into our history. Göbekli-Tepe certainly throws a spanner in the works for hujman civilization pushing it back a few thousand years.
It is a double whammy. Although Jericho does go back the same amount of time. People have to build with what they have to work with. The Bible says people used animal skins to keep warm. I am surprised that we find people this far north. They would need to be more resourceful to deal with the colder climate.

Mostly people were interested in Egypt because of all the glitter and gold. They studied ancient Mesopotamia but now as much. They talk about the Semitic and Sumerians that lived at the time.

In High School we used James Breasted book for our text book. Even though it is 100 years old now everyone pretty much just copies him. Esp with the whole hunter gather food producer thing. His cradle of civilization was the land given to Abraham. He had so walk all the way round his land. What will become the new Jerusalem. Then all the nations will have to send a representative one a year to Jerusalem.

It is interesting that Moses tells us where the gold mines were. If you go there today they are still mining gold after all of these years. Gold is heavy so in a molten state it goes deeper into the earth. That makes it more rare today.
 
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