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And like I said, your case is irrational and wrong, but you can believe whatever you want.

And you fail to show that, using a simple summary that people can read and understand.

You can make long exposition, like what others have also seen, that makes no sense logically.
 
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And you fail to show that, using a simple summary that people can read and understand.

You can make long exposition, like what others have also seen, that makes no sense logically.
You're the only one that thinks so. You might give consideration to the fact it's you who has not grasped the logic.

Do you acknowledge the resurrection and promise of eternal life are an inherent part of the gospel of Christ?
 
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Both gospels are about Christ (Galatians 1:11-12).

It doesn't imply they are the same. Prophecy vs mystery: Since the world began
That is not an answer to my question. It's a simply yes or not question, and as such does not take any additional commentary to be answered. Please answer the question asked.

Do you acknowledge the resurrection and promise of eternal life are an inherent part of the gospel of Christ?

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That is not an answer to my question. It's a simply yes or not question, and as such does not take any additional commentary to be answered. Please answer the question asked.

Do you acknowledge the resurrection and promise of eternal life are an inherent part of the gospel of Christ?

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I already said this to you, you never read that's all

The 12 were preaching the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Luke 10:9) to Israel in Luke 9:6, which did not need to include the death burial and resurrection of Christ.

The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ according to prophecy Prophecy vs mystery: Since the world began
 
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And I already addressed that nonsense. It is wrong and it needs to be corrected. Stop posting falsehood.

Naturally, you will tend to think that whatever views you happen to disagree with, they will be falsehoods.

But then you are the one who can somehow convince yourself that
  1. Peter can rebuke Christ for telling him he is about to die, Matthew 16:22 and that
  2. Peter can refuse to believe others who told him Christ has risen from the dead, Mark 16:13-14
and still believe that he could be preaching those exact things in Luke 9:6.

If you can convince yourself to believe that contradictory argument, I know who is the actual one preaching nonsense and needed to be corrected. :p
 
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Naturally, you will tend to think that whatever views you happen to disagree with, they will be falsehoods.

But then you are the one who can somehow convince yourself that
  1. Peter can rebuke Christ for telling him he is about to die, Matthew 16:22 and that
  2. Peter can refuse to believe others who told him Christ has risen from the dead, Mark 16:13-14
and still believe that he could be preaching those exact things in Luke 9:6.

If you can convince yourself to believe that contradictory argument, I know who is the actual one preaching nonsense and needed to be corrected.
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All of these types of conundrums are better addressed by understanding we are all under the influences of the tempter, our adversary, at all times. Why isn't that fact in your equations? Was Peter Satan for example, OR, is the more likely case that Jesus spoke to Satan in Peter? Mark 4:15 shows 2 separate parties: Mankind and devilkind, both in the same pair of shoes. So do many other scriptures

Basic lesson: Can we all be right and wrong simultaneously? YUP!
 
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All of these types of conundrums are better addressed by understanding we are all under the influences of the tempter, our adversary, at all times. Why isn't that fact in your equations? Was Peter Satan for example, OR, is the more likely case that Jesus spoke to Satan in Peter? Mark 4:15 shows 2 separate parties: Mankind and devilkind, both in the same pair of shoes. So do many other scriptures

Basic lesson: Can we all be right and wrong simultaneously? YUP!

None of other apostles believed as well, see Mark 16:13-14.

Which is the simpler explanation, that in Luke 9:6,
  1. all 12 of them were preaching something that none of them believe in, or that
  2. they were not preaching the death and resurrection of Christ?
I am sure you heard of Occam's razor.
 
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None of other apostles believed as well, see Mark 16:13-14.

Which is the simpler explanation, that in Luke 9:6,
  1. all 12 of them were preaching something that none of them believe in, or that
  2. they were not preaching the death and resurrection of Christ?
I am sure you heard of Occam's razor.
Perhaps your filter is too tight:

1 John 4:7

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
 
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Perhaps your filter is too tight:

1 John 4:7

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

What has that verse got to do with my point?
 
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What has that verse got to do with my point?
Point being, exactly no sinner is better than any other. Romans 3:9. We're all in that boat

As to the proclamation of the Gospel, any action of love is that
 
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Point being, exactly no sinner is better than any other. Romans 3:9. We're all in that boat

As to the proclamation of the Gospel, any action of love is that

Still don't understand how any of that is linked to my post, but never mind.
 
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I have heard some Christians claim that Satan was able to make Eve eat the fruit because she added to God's word. For me to agree with that accusation I would need a verse that said God or Adam told her not to eat of the tree. Nowhere is there any verse that states just how Eve heard of the restriction. Minus that, to accuse her of adding to God's word is bearing witness against her without all the facts. I agree that Adam may well have told her to not touch the tree.

In your post you state that “when Eve sinned” and the context is she sinned by eating the fruit. Let's see if God agrees with that statement.

Genesis 3:14 So the Lord God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this, …....... NKJV

God blamed the Serpent for his part in the event.

Genesis 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': NKJV

God blamed Adam because he obeyed Eve's voice instead of heeding God's warning concerning eating fruit from the tree.

Genesis 3:16 To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; NKJV


He tells her that for her childbirth will now be in pain and her husband will now rule over her. I do not see any because in the statement God made to her.

She ate the fruit first.

Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. NKJV

The Holy Spirit states that Adam sinned.

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. NKJV

When Adam sinned all of creation fell into sin. God subjected the world to futility when Adam sinned, which could explain what happened to Eve after the fall.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. NKJV

The Holy Spirit agrees that Eve was deceived and fell into sin. By Romans 8: 20 all of creation fell into sin.

Without supporting scripture, I will not accuse Eve of sinning because she ate the fruit.


No, it was not Eve who added to the word of God. The error was ENTIRELY Adam's. Eve is UNDER Adam's Spiritual COVERING. It is ADAM that is made in God's image. Eve is made in man's IMAGE AND IN FACT SHE IS CREATED BY TAKING A rib from Adam. GOD spoke to Adam, Adam spoke to Eve, Adam's failure is first he ADDS to God's word when she saw that it was delightful to the eye and NOTHING happened by TOUCHING IT she deduced that the Serpent was telling the truth and ADAM WAS A LIAR. Add to that fact that Adam was not with Eve which allowed Satan to deceive and get Eve to fall. Instead of IMMEDIATELY going to God to fix this horror show Adam ignored seeking Gods face but decided to EAT the Fruit knowingly SINNING, and He fell also. Eve was truthful with God and said to God that I was decided by the serpent... ADAM tried to BLAME GOD... When God asked Adam what happened he says IT WAS THE WOMAN YOU GAVE ME...
 
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