Truth

Xeno.of.athens said:

The statement "I am the way, the truth, and the life" is a quote attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John 14:6. It is not a claim that Jesus is the Torah, but rather a declaration of his role in spiritual guidance and salvation according to Christian belief.

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Jesus was not making things up about in John 14:6-7, but rather everything that he said had scriptural context that his audience would have understood as being references to to the Torah, so Jesus was certainly claiming to be the Torah, which is declaration of his role in spiritual guidance and salvation. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be doers of the Torah is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being doers of the Torah.

Grip Docility said:

Jesus saves. The Torah has no authority over those that have placed HIS blood above the doorpost of their Souls. The Holy Spirit is FAR superior to Commandments and Rules.

Love is the measure of all.

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Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be doers of the Torah is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being doers of the Torah.

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Torah is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20) while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to reject everything that he accomplished.

The Spirit is not superior to God’s word, but rather the Spirit has the role of leading us to be doers of the Torah (Ezekiel 36:26-27) and Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to obey the Torah (Romans 8:4-7).

Everything in the Torah is in regard to how to love God or our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should love God and our neighbor is the position that we should be doers of the Torah.

Xeno.of.athens said:

The Lord, Jesus Christ, proclaimed that the truth would set you free. In declaring Himself as the Truth of God, He also referred to the universal nature of truth, as all truth originates from God. However, we encounter a challenge here: what we often label as truth can be mere opinion, propaganda, or even falsehood. The question then arises: how do we distinguish the truth amidst a thicket of opinions, propaganda, and falsehoods?

And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free.
(John 8:32 DRB)

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John 14:6 explains it best !!

Jesus saith unto him , I am the WAY , the TRUTH , and the LIFE no MAN cometh into the FATHER , but by me .

And Eph 2:8 explains salvation, For by grace you are having been SAVED though Faith and this NOT // OU , and OU , means
DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , you will NEVER be saved by WORKSSSSSSS of any kind and that is NOT the WAY to Salvation >

dan p

Xeno.of.athens said:

What you have presented is a hermeneutic, a principle of interpretation, that neither the Catholic Church, the Church Fathers, nor the apostles of Christ accepted. It is your prerogative; I will not adhere to it.

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The hermeneutic that I used standards or falls on its own merits or flaws, so if you think that the Apostles wouldn't have accepted it, then you should have a reason. I think it is fairly straightforward to connect the Torah being God's word with Jesus being God's word made flesh with Jesus putting flesh on or embodying God's word by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, so where do you think that the flaw is? Do you think that the Catholic Church, the Church Fathers and the Apostles would have affirmed or denied that those who believe in God should walk in God's way?

How do you think that someone who knew Scripture who heard Jesus speak John 14:6-7 would have understood what he was saying? When Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and then life, and the way to know the Father then would there minds have not gone to the many places in Scripture where it describe the Torah is being God's way, as being the truth, and as being the way to have life, and the way to know the Father? Moreover, in John 14:8-11, Jesus said if they did not believe him, then believe on the account of the works themselves, and the words that he did were in sinless obedience to the Torah.

Grip Docility said:

Jesus saves. The Torah has no authority over those that have placed HIS blood above the doorpost of their Souls. The Holy Spirit is FAR superior to Commandments and Rules.

Love is the measure of all.

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Both the Helper and Yashuah Himself are personified by the Law of the Torah. We cannot ever live the Law but we are to live as closely as we can to the way He lived and He lived the Torah.

th1bill said:

Both the Helper and Yashuah Himself are personified by the Law of the Torah. We cannot ever live the Law but we are to live as closely as we can to the way He lived and He lived the Torah.

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The Holy Spirit of Christ is sufficient for me. The Blood above the doorpost of my soul is sufficient for me.

I fail. God never fails. I surrender to God fully.

He has done so much more for me, a sainted sinner, forgiven wretch, than long ago, when I used to be an old covenant man.

His Rod and His staff comfort me.

Xeno.of.athens said:

The Lord, Jesus Christ, proclaimed that the truth would set you free. In declaring Himself as the Truth of God, He also referred to the universal nature of truth, as all truth originates from God. However, we encounter a challenge here: what we often label as truth can be mere opinion, propaganda, or even falsehood. The question then arises: how do we distinguish the truth amidst a thicket of opinions, propaganda, and falsehoods?

And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free.
(John 8:32 DRB)

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We must come to value truth over ourselves and our personal, often selfish interests. We must become subservient to truth so that our preferences don’t rule our behavior. It’s a learned ability, as I see it, as this doesn’t necessarily come natural to fallen man.

Xeno.of.athens said:

The Lord, Jesus Christ, proclaimed that the truth would set you free. In declaring Himself as the Truth of God, He also referred to the universal nature of truth, as all truth originates from God. However, we encounter a challenge here: what we often label as truth can be mere opinion, propaganda, or even falsehood. The question then arises: how do we distinguish the truth amidst a thicket of opinions, propaganda, and falsehoods?

And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free.
(John 8:32 DRB)

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Xeno.of.athens said:

The Lord, Jesus Christ, proclaimed that the truth would set you free. In declaring Himself as the Truth of God, He also referred to the universal nature of truth, as all truth originates from God.

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I agree. God is the God of Truth - Deu. 32:4.

However, we encounter a challenge here: what we often label as truth can be mere opinion, propaganda, or even falsehood.

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Well, the issue you bring up seems to be derived from the distinction between "God" (which is truth) from us ("we"). So the issue of having the "we" "label" as truth is the problem. Mankind should simply repeat (Amen) what God clearly said (Gen. 40:8; Isa. 8:20; 1 Pet. 4:11; 2 Pet. 1:20), even as Jesus did so, as the Amen of the Father - Jhn. 14:10; Rev. 3:14.

Gen 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The question then arises: how do we distinguish the truth amidst a thicket of opinions, propaganda, and falsehoods?

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The Bible (which is truth, Jhn. 17:17) defines truth (being self-contained):

Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psa 25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

So, the "we" must "Amen" "God" of truth to be true, for it is written:

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

When persons speak, they must all be tested by the truth defined already by God.

1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I hope this was helpful, useful.

Xeno.of.athens said:

The question then arises: how do we distinguish the truth amidst a thicket of opinions, propaganda, and falsehoods?

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Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

The teaching by The Holy Spirit is a continuous day-to-day teaching of truth from GOD. Things that I have questions over I ask The Father about and The Holy Spirit reveals the truth of what I need to know in time.

Xeno.of.athens said:

The Lord, Jesus Christ, proclaimed that the truth would set you free. In declaring Himself as the Truth of God, He also referred to the universal nature of truth, as all truth originates from God. However, we encounter a challenge here: what we often label as truth can be mere opinion, propaganda, or even falsehood. The question then arises: how do we distinguish the truth amidst a thicket of opinions, propaganda, and falsehoods?

And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free.
(John 8:32 DRB)

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God's Word is truth John 17:17