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Love365 said:
We need more TV shows with women priests.
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I can't remember the last time I saw any woman portrayed as clergy in the US in film or television. Which is strange because in many Protestant churches, they are a normal part of a church now days.
 
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How about this: Both the politics and the ecclesiastical changes grew out of a cultural change. Culturally, people were starting to see women as full human beings, deserving of the same rights and responsibilities as men. Politically, this cultural change was expressed in the belief that women should be able to vote and should be protected by law from discrimination in the workplace. In the church, this cultural change was expressed in the belief that women should be permitted to be priests, vestry members, altar servers, and so on. And there were cultural changes that were neither political nor religious; for example, in the 20th century, women began to be admitted to some elite private universities that had previously been men-only.

I wish I could say that the church was the driving force in the women's movements of the 19th and 20th centuries, that the church listened to Jesus saying "Love your neighbor as yourself" and went out and changed the world. There was some of that. The Society of Friends is notable here, for example.
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The Society of Friends traditionally had no clergy. They would occasionally have people known for a gift of preaching, but the Friends religion is explicit in rejecting any kind of hierarchy in the Church (which doesn't mean that Quakers are necessarily "feminists", just that they rejected distinctions between male and female in spiritual matters).
 
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FireDragon76 said:
I can't remember the last time I saw any woman portrayed as clergy in the US in film or television. Which is strange because in many Protestant churches, they are a normal part of a church now days.
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I'm not going to spoil anything, but the series finale of 13 Reasons Why has a female pastor. (It's a very intense show...not for the faint of heart). I can't think of any other examples, only in the UK with the Vicar of Dibley.
 
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Many, many denominations ordain women. Anglicans/Episcopalians, ELCA, UMC, PCUSA, Evangelical Covenant Church, Community of Christ, UCC, some Pentecostals, Disciples of Christ, American Baptist Church and several others.

Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, Lutheran Church-Wisconsin Synod, Orthodox Presbyterian Church, Southern Baptists, some Pentecostals, Church of Christ, Seventh Day Adventist do not.
 
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Many, many denominations ordain women. Anglicans/Episcopalians, ELCA, UMC, PCUSA, Evangelical Covenant Church, Community of Christ, UCC, some Pentecostals, Disciples of Christ, American Baptist Church and several others.

Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, Lutheran Church-Wisconsin Synod, Orthodox Presbyterian Church, Southern Baptists, some Pentecostals, Church of Christ, Seventh Day Adventist do not.
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Some Pentecostal and Holiness groups, like the Assemblies of God, actually have ordained women for quite some time. Longer than many other churches.
 
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David Bentley Hart's response to this question, "How could they (women) be any worse?" I agree with his insights, clericalism and patriarchy have often gone hand in hand in religion.


 
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FireDragon76 said:
David Bentley Hart's response to this question, "How could they (women) be any worse?" I agree with his insights, clericalism and patriarchy have often gone hand in hand in religion.


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Don't get me wrong, it's a breath of fresh air to hear someone being positive about women in ministry for a change. And he does make some points I would take seriously.

But I have said before - if not on CF, then definitely elsewhere - that ordaining women, while it might be good and proper in its own right, is not a panacea. Churches that ordain women still have all the problems we had before, and all the problems that churches which don't ordain women have. In itself it doesn't fix everything else, because we're human...
 
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Paidiske said:
Don't get me wrong, it's a breath of fresh air to hear someone being positive about women in ministry for a change. And he does make some points I would take seriously.

But I have said before - if not on CF, then definitely elsewhere - that ordaining women, while it might be good and proper in its own right, is not a panacea. Churches that ordain women still have all the problems we had before, and all the problems that churches which don't ordain women have. In itself it doesn't fix everything else, because we're human...
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It's a case of having to be there to understand it.

I think spiritually mature men aren't threatened by women, and there's something defective baked into a religion if you say that women belong only in a narrow defined set of spaces.
 
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