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Is the West Sick of the New Woke Jihadism?

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What are the mobs in Washington defiling iconic federal statues with impunity and pelting policemen really protesting? What are the throngs in London brazenly swarming parks and rampaging in the streets really angry about?

Occupations?
They could care less that the Islamist Turkish government still stations 40,000 troops in occupied Cyprus. No one is protesting against the Chinese takeover of a once-independent Tibet or the threatened absorption of an autonomous Taiwan.

Refugees?
None of these mobs are agitating on behalf of the nearly 1 million Jews ethnically cleansed since 1947 from the major capitals of the Middle East. Some 200,000 Cypriots displaced by Turks earn not a murmur. Nor does the ethnic cleansing of 99% of Nagorno-Karabakh's ancient Armenian population just last year.

Civilian casualties?
The global protestors are not furious over the 1 million Uighurs brutalized by the communist Chinese government. Neither are they concerned about the Turkish government's indiscriminate war against the Kurds or its serial threats to attack Armenians and Greeks.

The new woke jihadist movement is instead focused only on Israel and "Palestine." It is oblivious to the modern gruesome Muslim-on-Muslim exterminations of Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein, the Black September massacres of Palestinians by Jordanian forces, and the 1982 erasure of thousands in Hama, Syria.
 

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Oh, but you left off the actual conclusion of the article:
So woke jihadism is not an ecumenical concern for the oppressed, the occupied, the collateral damage of war, or the fate of refugees. Instead, it is a romanticized and repackaged anti-Western, anti-Israel, and antisemitic jihadism that supports the murder of civilians, mass rape, torture, and hostage-taking.
Probably for the best though, as it's kind of laughable. First of all, the idea that people don't care about a particular issue just because they're not actively protesting every single instance of it is silly. And second, it repeats the classic false equivalency that protesting the actions of one group equals support for the opposing group.
 
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What are the mobs in Washington defiling iconic federal statues with impunity and pelting policemen really protesting? What are the throngs in London brazenly swarming parks and rampaging in the streets really angry about?

Occupations?
They could care less that the Islamist Turkish government still stations 40,000 troops in occupied Cyprus. No one is protesting against the Chinese takeover of a once-independent Tibet or the threatened absorption of an autonomous Taiwan.

Refugees?
None of these mobs are agitating on behalf of the nearly 1 million Jews ethnically cleansed since 1947 from the major capitals of the Middle East. Some 200,000 Cypriots displaced by Turks earn not a murmur. Nor does the ethnic cleansing of 99% of Nagorno-Karabakh's ancient Armenian population just last year.

Civilian casualties?
The global protestors are not furious over the 1 million Uighurs brutalized by the communist Chinese government. Neither are they concerned about the Turkish government's indiscriminate war against the Kurds or its serial threats to attack Armenians and Greeks.

The new woke jihadist movement is instead focused only on Israel and "Palestine." It is oblivious to the modern gruesome Muslim-on-Muslim exterminations of Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein, the Black September massacres of Palestinians by Jordanian forces, and the 1982 erasure of thousands in Hama, Syria.
We’re the wrong country to be afraid of “foreigners”, this article is twaddle.

Case in point, (in the paragraph beginning with “Moreover,”) we find this gem,
”they logically feel that they can do anything with impunity on Western streets and campuses.”

Pray, how does one “logically feel”?
Not only is it twaddle, it’s AI twaddle, (or RCP doesn’t have a functioning editorial staff.)
 
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I believe that the point of the article is not merely one of the concluding sentences of the commentary. Instead, the point is that there have been, and there are still ongoing tragedies that are just as equally as horrific as the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Gazans. However, why ain't there an ongoing outcry of protests regarding the Cypriots? .. the Christian Armenians? the Islamic Uyghurs?
 
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I believe that the point of the article is not merely one of the concluding sentences of the commentary. Instead, the point is that there have been, and there are still ongoing tragedies that are just as equally as horrific as the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Gazans. However, why ain't there an ongoing outcry of protests regarding the Cypriots?

This is just "whataboutism".
 
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I believe that the point of the article is not merely one of the concluding sentences of the commentary. Instead, the point is that there have been, and there are still ongoing tragedies that are just as equally as horrific as the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Gazans. However, why ain't there an ongoing outcry of protests regarding the Cypriots? .. the Christian Armenians? the Islamic Uyghurs?

Why are there no ongoing outcry from the thousands of chidren that die from preventable disease and famine everyday?

One could go on endlessy comparing the perceived levle of protest with one human tragedy to another. It's silly.l
 
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I believe that the point of the article is not merely one of the concluding sentences of the commentary.
Considering that the rest of the article builds on that conclusion, I think my assessment of the author's point is accurate.
Instead, the point is that there have been, and there are still ongoing tragedies that are just as equally as horrific as the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Gazans.
The only way in which a person might reasonably come to the conclusion that this was the primary point of the article would be if they only read the portion that you quoted in the OP. It's a classic trick question on a reading comprehension test - the excerpt starts out talking about one thing, but is merely using that to set up the real argument. Someone rushing through the exam and skimming the passage will miss that. You could, perhaps, make a case that the author's real point is that the "tripartate constituency" that makes up the supposed "woke jihadist movement" is corrupting the country, but I see that as just an outgrowth of the core argument I highlighted in my previous post.
 
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I believe that the point of the article is not merely one of the concluding sentences of the commentary. Instead, the point is that there have been, and there are still ongoing tragedies that are just as equally as horrific as the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Gazans. However, why ain't there an ongoing outcry of protests regarding the Cypriots? .. the Christian Armenians? the Islamic Uyghurs?
The Ukrainians?
 
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Since these are the rantings of a Central Valley farmer who is stuck in the Summer of 2020, I will respond to them as such.

What are the mobs in Washington defiling iconic federal statues with impunity and pelting policemen really protesting? What are the throngs in London brazenly swarming parks and rampaging in the streets really angry about?
I don't know what the contemporary London protesters were about, but the protests in the US were about systematic issues in the treatment of Black people in the US, especially in policing, and the symbols of repression. They didn't defile status of Federals, but of confederates. Mr. Hanson should be better informed.
Occupations?
They could care less that the Islamist Turkish government still stations 40,000 troops in occupied Cyprus. No one is protesting against the Chinese takeover of a once-independent Tibet or the threatened absorption of an autonomous Taiwan.
The Summer 2020 protests were not about occupations.
Refugees?
None of these mobs are agitating on behalf of the nearly 1 million Jews ethnically cleansed since 1947 from the major capitals of the Middle East. Some 200,000 Cypriots displaced by Turks earn not a murmur. Nor does the ethnic cleansing of 99% of Nagorno-Karabakh's ancient Armenian population just last year.
The Summer 2020 protests were not about refugees.
Civilian casualties?
The global protestors are not furious over the 1 million Uighurs brutalized by the communist Chinese government. Neither are they concerned about the Turkish government's indiscriminate war against the Kurds or its serial threats to attack Armenians and Greeks.
The Summer 2020 protests were not about civilian war casualties.
The new woke jihadist movement is instead focused only on Israel and "Palestine." It is oblivious to the modern gruesome Muslim-on-Muslim exterminations of Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein, the Black September massacres of Palestinians by Jordanian forces, and the 1982 erasure of thousands in Hama, Syria.
And now the farmer swerves radically to tie protests about Israel/Gaza to the 2020 BLM protests. He uses the parallel construction of a bunch of things the pro-Palestinian protesters don't seem to have cared about to his litany of things the BLM protesters weren't protesting. I suspect this is his goal, to tie it all under his invented banner of "new woke jihadist".

As for the current protestors, this is a pro-Palestinian movement (for better or worse) and not a general anti-war movement or pan-Islamic movement. Most of the participants weren't even born when most of those other events happened.

As for the overlap with 4 years ago, I suspect that many of the non-Arab/Muslim participants today also participated in the Summer 2020 BLM marches, but other than that the demographics (age, race, religion, geography, etc.) of the current movement is quite different from Summer 2020.

I see what you are doing VDH. You and other RW cultural commentators (like Rufo, for example) are trying to construct a unified "enemy" and project every thing your nominal allies don't like about cultural trends so that they will view them all as of a piece. I am not fooled, Victor.
 
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I see that you are very dismissive of a very well educated messenger and that you simply choose to disagree with Victor David Hanson because he has a different world view than you do. I also see that you practically ignored the points and questions about the horrific tragedies happening against the Islamic Uyghurs, the Christian Armenians and others.
 
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Considering that the rest of the article builds on that conclusion, I think my assessment of the author's point is accurate.

The only way in which a person might reasonably come to the conclusion that this was the primary point of the article would be if they only read the portion that you quoted in the OP. It's a classic trick question on a reading comprehension test - the excerpt starts out talking about one thing, but is merely using that to set up the real argument. Someone rushing through the exam and skimming the passage will miss that. You could, perhaps, make a case that the author's real point is that the "tripartate constituency" that makes up the supposed "woke jihadist movement" is corrupting the country, but I see that as just an outgrowth of the core argument I highlighted in my previous post.
Obviously, I disagree with your conclusions.
 
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Oh, but you left off the actual conclusion of the article:

Probably for the best though, as it's kind of laughable. First of all, the idea that people don't care about a particular issue just because they're not actively protesting every single instance of it is silly. And second, it repeats the classic false equivalency that protesting the actions of one group equals support for the opposing group.
I think the "instance worthy of protest" selection process tends to give away peoples' real motivation behind getting "all fired up" about one instance of something happening, but not appearing to care as much about parallel situations.

From my honest vantage point, the "global cause we'll get involved in" selection process seems to be less rooted in the actual types of things taking place, and more about "what positions can we take for the explicit purpose of opposing our domestic political rivals?"

For instance, the people marching around with flags themed after "LGBT for Palestine" (combining the two flags). The irony in that is that if one were actually living in that region, and gave a "pride theme" to the nation's flag and marched around in the streets with it, there's a good chance you'd be assaulted (or worse). In reality, they're pretending to outraged about Palestine (an area where the median political/social attitudes would make Ted Cruz look like a radical feminist in comparison) because it allows them to oppose the conservatives, and feels that it allows them sort of "sounding off" opportunity about what they see as "evil colonialism".

Ukraine/Russia situation is similar. What's happening there certainly isn't unique in the world...in fact, it's not even unique in the recent history of those two exact countries. Russia has been showing aggression toward them in the form of annexations and occupations multiple times over the past decade or two.

It wasn't until the general narrative became "Russia helped Trump win" that some people on the left became passionate Ukraine supporters who "just felt so compelled to stand up to injustice and make our voice heard!" People who, back in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine, probably couldn't find Ukraine on a map, all of the sudden became so pro-Ukraine that they were putting up Ukrainian flags in their yards, on their cars, and on every social media profile border. It not a coincidence.



Or, perhaps the more succinct way to put it...
While, as you said, it's true that nobody has enough time in the day to protest every single injustice on the planet, and failing to do so doesn't necessarily mean "they don't care". It's conspicuous in the way they do pick the specific instances to protest, in that, they're always specifically choosing the instances that they feel help express some other personal/political narrative they have.


For example, if "Dave" branded himself as some sort of activist against weak food safety standards (and it was also well-known that Dave was a member of PETA and ardent vegan)... If, of the 3000 food safety deaths that occur each year, Dave just so happened to only find time to protest for ones involving steakhouses (and literally never protested any of the others), people would rightfully think that Dave is being a bit self-serving in selecting which ones to make time for.
 
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I see that you are very dismissive of a very well educated messenger and that you simply choose to disagree with Victor David Hanson because he has a different world view than you do. I also see that you practically ignored the points and questions about the horrific tragedies happening against the Islamic Uyghurs, the Christian Armenians and others.
If Hanson were writing an essay on Hoplites, then I would give him his due. In this context he is just another grumpy old man, farmer, and cultural warrior.
 
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If Hanson were writing an essay on Hoplites, then I would give him his due. In this context he is just another grumpy old man, farmer, and cultural warrior.
Obviously, I completely disagree with your description of him.
 
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Or, perhaps the more succinct way to put it...
While, as you said, it's true that nobody has enough time in the day to protest every single injustice on the planet, and failing to do so doesn't necessarily mean "they don't care". It's conspicuous in the way they do pick the specific instances to protest, in that, they're always specifically choosing the instances that they feel help express some other personal/political narrative they have.
I don't think that contradicts anything that I actually said though. Hanson's argument was that, because the protesters aren't protesting certain other atrocities, that means they don't actually care about stopping atrocities (and are therefore evil antisemites). Which is patently ridiculous. It's as silly as those who call out pro-life protesters for only protesting abortion clinics.

People will always want to advocate for specific causes that they care about - if you only donate to a charity for homeless veterans, that doesn't mean that you don't care about the plight of the homeless as a whole. If you only donate to a cat rescue, that doesn't mean that you don't care about dogs. And so on.

ETA: also, you can't discount the visibility element - there aren't any significant voices in the US supporting Turkish actions in Cyprus, the Chinese genocide of the Uighurs, or the Armenian genocide. Meanwhile, we have over half of our government vocally supporting Israel, we're actively sending military aid, and a significant percentage of the US population walks right up to (or even steps over) the line of saying that the Palestinians deserve what's being done to them. People are a lot more motivated to protest when the actions that they're opposed to are shoved in their faces. It's similar to how George Floyd's murder sparked the BLM protests.
 
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Another point is that in this case protesting an ongoing genocide has to do with the US facilitating and materially assisting in this genocide; ie, our own involvement. The protests stand a chance of mitigating the situation.
 
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Obviously, I completely disagree with your description of him.
Hanson is being completely disingenuous here. He knows the nature of protests. This is all part of an attempt to shift the narative by Hansen and his pals like Rufo and create a "woke ideology" (this time he's trying to see if "jihad" will stick to it) as part of their war against modern American culture.
 
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Hanson is being completely disingenuous here. He knows the nature of protests. This is all part of an attempt to shift the narative by Hansen and his pals like Rufo and create a "woke ideology" (this time he's trying to see if "jihad" will stick to it) as part of their war against modern American culture.
Again, I completely and totally disagree with everything in this post.
 
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