LGBT Activists Spend $15 Million Reminding Voters about Biden’s Most Unpopular Agenda

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Pommer said:
Legally, yes.

What is a "legal woman"?

Pommer said:
There was speculation that the Supreme Court would keep same-sex marriage in a different legal category than tradition male-female marriage when the Obergefell (et. al.) case was under consideration, which would have reinstated the “separate-but-equal” doctrine that the 1954 court repudiated, in Brown.

Are you in favor of affirmative action?

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
What is a "legal woman" and how should they be treated differently - under the law - than a "legal man"?

What does that have to do with the answer to your question? We are not talking about "legal women" but about being a woman legally. Those are two different things.

Zaha Torte said:
What happened to the Rastafarians?

They were not allowed to practice a sacrament of their religion as it was against the law.

Zaha Torte said:
Sure - we cannot violate the rights of others.

Correct. Our freedoms end when it interferes with others freedoms. A tricky balance act at times.

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Belk said:
What does that have to do with the answer to your question?

It has to do with the answer you gave to my question.

Your answer to my question, "Do you believe that a man being legally recognized as a woman makes them a woman?" was "As far as the law is concerned? Yes."

This prompted my clarifying question about your answer.

If you were to answer my question about what a "legal" man or woman would be and how they would be treated under the law would help me better understand your initial answer - which makes no sense to me.

Belk said:
We are not talking about "legal women" but about being a woman legally. Those are two different things.

How are they different?

Belk said:
They were not allowed to practice a sacrament of their religion as it was against the law.

What was it?

Belk said:
Correct. Our freedoms end when it interferes with others freedoms. A tricky balance act at times.

It all depends on what we are motivated by.

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
It has to do with the answer you gave to my question.

Your answer to my question, "Do you believe that a man being legally recognized as a woman makes them a woman?" was "As far as the law is concerned? Yes."

This prompted my clarifying question about your answer.

I see, someone who is legally recognized as a women is treated as a female under the law. So, for example, Any law that specifically targets females (IE wearing cloths to cover their breasts) would apply to them.

Zaha Torte said:
If you were to answer my question about what a "legal" man or woman would be and how they would be treated under the law would help me better understand your initial answer - which makes no sense to me.

I'll help as best I can. Do you track my example above?

Zaha Torte said:
How are they different?

One is a lawyer, one is a person who is treated as female by the law.

Zaha Torte said:
What was it?

Being able to smoke Marijuana

Zaha Torte said:
It all depends on what we are motivated by.

Well, what ideas we hold to be more important then others I would say.

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Belk said:
I see, So someone who is legally recognized as a women is treated as a female under the law.

This is where I get tripped up because people keep telling me, "Sex and gender are not the same thing" which leads to their claim that, "A transgender person is not claiming to literally be a member of the opposite sex - they just want to be socially recognized as a member of the opposite sex."

Yet then we see headlines and articles claiming that Rachel Levine is the first "female four-star admiral in the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps"

And now here we have you claiming that a man who is "legally recognized as a [woman]" is treated as a "female under the law"?

Belk said:
So, for example, Any law that states it applies to female would apply to them.

Could you give me an example.

Belk said:
I'll help as best I can. Do you track my example above?

In understand but am having difficulty connecting some dots and thinking of relevant examples.

Belk said:
One is a lawyer, one is a person who is treated as female by the law.

Dang! I didn't even see that! Nice one.

Belk said:
Being able to smoke Marijuana

Oh, they must be pretty excited now.

Belk said:
Well, what ideas we hold to be more important then others I would say.

Couldn't agree more.

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
This is where I get tripped up because people keep telling me, "Sex and gender are not the same thing" which leads to their claim that, "A transgender person is not claiming to literally be a member of the opposite sex - they just want to be socially recognized as a member of the opposite sex."

Yet then we see headlines and articles claiming that Rachel Levine is the first "female four-star admiral in the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps"

And now here we have you claiming that a man who is "legally recognized as a [woman]" is treated as a "female under the law"?

Could you give me an example.

In understand but am having difficulty connecting some dots and thinking of relevant examples.

Dang! I didn't even see that! Nice one.

Oh, they must be pretty excited now.

Couldn't agree more.

I edited my response while you were quoting it looks like. My example is laws requiring female modesty and the like.

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Belk said:
I edited my response while you were quoting it looks like. My example is laws requiring female modesty and the like.

Ok - so if a man were to undergo surgery in order to have "female-looking" breasts - he would have no obligation to cover them up unless he were to legally "become" a woman?

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
Ok - so if a man were to have "female-looking" breasts - he would have no obligation to cover them up unless he were to legally "become" a woman?

At least how it is applied in some states, yes.

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Belk said:
At least how it is applied in some states, yes.

Hah - you also answered before I edited.

I meant to say a man who had surgery to have "female-looking" breasts - or let's say to just appear as a woman.

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
Hah - you also answered before I edited.

I meant to say a man who had surgery to have "female-looking" breasts - or let's say to just appear as a woman.

Ah. Let me respond to that.

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
Ok - so if a man were to undergo surgery in order to have "female-looking" breasts - he would have no obligation to cover them up unless he were to legally "become" a woman?

I believe it would depend on how the law was worded, but yes.

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Belk said:
I believe it would depend on how the law was worded, but yes.

That's very interesting.

They would need to have the legal designation of "woman" in order to be required to coverup - but the law is demanding that they cover their anatomy - their biology.

I don't understand how legally being considered a woman would suddenly make their "female-looking" breasts offensive.

So, legally speaking - a woman who did nothing but legally become a "male" could walk around with her breasts out?

Makes me wonder what the goal of those laws even are.

Belk · Jun 3, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
That's very interesting.

They would need to have the legal designation of "woman" in order to be required to coverup - but the law is demanding that they cover their anatomy - their biology.

I don't understand how legally being considered a woman would suddenly make their "female-looking" breasts offensive.

So, legally speaking - a woman who did nothing but legally become a "male" could walk around with her breasts out?

Makes me wonder what the goal of those laws even are.

Many of us have had the same question. Likely for different reasons though.

Zaha Torte · Jun 3, 2024

Belk said:
Many of us have had the same question. Likely for different reasons though.

I would argue that any and all differences in how the law is applied to a woman as opposed to a man - using your example as a standard - would be due to their biology - not their identity.

This argument is what led me to ask my initial question.

Belk · Jun 4, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
I would argue that any and all differences in how the law is applied to a woman as opposed to a man - using your example as a standard - would be due to their biology - not their identity.

This argument is what led me to ask my initial question.

Not certain of that. Please don't take my example as knowledge. It is a nothing more then a guess on my part. It is entirely possible there could be laws around weddings or other areas that might be identity based. I admit that off the top of my head your claim seems plausible though.

essentialsaltes · Jun 6, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
So far, I have met only the two people who refer to those that simply disagree with them as their enemies.

I don't believe it is a common thing to refer to people as. And if it is - it shouldn't. Nice try at ad hom though.

You can make it three. The subject line of this solicitation for donations is "I’m digging a trench big enough for two"

Zaha Torte · Jun 6, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
You can make it three. The subject line of this solicitation for donations is "I’m digging a trench big enough for two"

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Why do you think this is comparable or relevant to what we were talking about?

essentialsaltes · Jun 6, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
Why do you think this is comparable or relevant to what we were talking about?

This dumb sub-thread started with political differences between pro-gay and anti-gay people, and Trump is talking about political differences between red-people versus blue-people.

Zaha Torte · Jun 6, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
This dumb sub-thread started with political differences between pro-gay and anti-gay people, and Trump is talking about political differences between red-people versus blue-people.

I think Trump is referring to people he considers to be corrupt and are abusing their authority to interfere with elections and falsely prosecute him and others.

I don't think he is talking about simple disagreements.

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