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Atheist Alex O'Connor presses Jordan Peterson on Exodus, Christ's resurrection

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Atheist Alex O'Connor recently visited with Jordan Peterson. O'Connor told the famous psychologist, “You've spent more time in Exodus than probably anyone I've ever met in person ... When people suddenly say to you, ‘But do you think it really happened?’” Peterson immediately intervened, “Well what the Hell does that mean?”

O'Connor gently pressed Peterson on the historicity of the Exodus. He said, “When somebody says, ‘Did the Exodus story happen? Did the Jews enslaved in Egypt break free of their slavery and move to the Promised Land across the desert for 40 years? Did that happen?’ You have also said of the Exodus specifically, ‘It's still happening.’” Peterson replied, “Yes.”

O'Connor said this type of response is “inappropriate,” and then asked, “Do you believe that these people in that time period actually did this in such a way that for instance might show up in an archaeological report?’” Peterson responded, “I think the simplest answer is, ‘Probably, but we don't know.’” The psychologist incorrectly stated that “we don't know” if the Exodus was an actual historical event. There are plenty of Jews, Christians and others who know for a fact that the Exodus truly took place.

O'Connor essentially wanted to see whether Jordan Peterson believed what the Apostle Paul believed about the Exodus. During a sermon Paul firmly stated, “Men of Israel and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me! The God of the people of Israel chose our fathers and made the people prosper during their stay in Egypt. With mighty power He led them out of that country and endured their conduct forty years in the desert” (Acts 13:16-18). Paul was certain the Exodus took place.

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Atheist Alex O'Connor recently visited with Jordan Peterson. O'Connor told the famous psychologist, “You've spent more time in Exodus than probably anyone I've ever met in person ... When people suddenly say to you, ‘But do you think it really happened?’” Peterson immediately intervened, “Well what the Hell does that mean?”

O'Connor gently pressed Peterson on the historicity of the Exodus. He said, “When somebody says, ‘Did the Exodus story happen? Did the Jews enslaved in Egypt break free of their slavery and move to the Promised Land across the desert for 40 years? Did that happen?’ You have also said of the Exodus specifically, ‘It's still happening.’” Peterson replied, “Yes.”

O'Connor said this type of response is “inappropriate,” and then asked, “Do you believe that these people in that time period actually did this in such a way that for instance might show up in an archaeological report?’” Peterson responded, “I think the simplest answer is, ‘Probably, but we don't know.’” The psychologist incorrectly stated that “we don't know” if the Exodus was an actual historical event. There are plenty of Jews, Christians and others who know for a fact that the Exodus truly took place.

O'Connor essentially wanted to see whether Jordan Peterson believed what the Apostle Paul believed about the Exodus. During a sermon Paul firmly stated, “Men of Israel and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me! The God of the people of Israel chose our fathers and made the people prosper during their stay in Egypt. With mighty power He led them out of that country and endured their conduct forty years in the desert” (Acts 13:16-18). Paul was certain the Exodus took place.

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None of the word of God written will make the kind of sense you are looking for, nor will it convince apart from the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

The word of God is for the people of God.
 
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None of the word of God written will make the kind of sense you are looking for, nor will it convince apart from the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

The word of God is for the people of God.
I’m looking for? :scratch:
 
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It’s a news item. I’m a Christian otherwise I could not post here. I don’t have any questions. We are talking about Jordan Peterson and Alex O’Conner.
Oops! . . .confused you with someone else. . .my apologies.
 
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O'Connor said this type of response is “inappropriate,” and then asked, “Do you believe that these people in that time period actually did this in such a way that for instance might show up in an archaeological report?’” Peterson responded, “I think the simplest answer is, ‘Probably, but we don't know.’” The psychologist incorrectly stated that “we don't know” if the Exodus was an actual historical event. There are plenty of Jews, Christians and others who know for a fact that the Exodus truly took place.

I would interpret Peterson's comment to mean it will probably show up in an archaeological report someday. We don't know what we'll find in the future. Future digs haven't happened yet. There's more to discover. We know that the ancient Egyptians worked hard to erase military and political losses from the records, so I don't see why the Exodus would be different in this regard. However, it wouldn't be surprising if we eventually find more evidence. The places and events of the Bible tend to be consistent with what we know about ancient history. That records of kings and countries match up shouldn't be interpreted as a threat to atheists because they aren't supernatural claims. The dividing of the Red Sea might be more than they are willing to accept, but the idea of nomadic Jews escaping captivity under Egyptian rule shouldn't ruffle their feathers.
 
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Jordan Peterson and Alex O'Connor have completely different epistemologies, coming from different places. So it's not a simple question to answer. Nobody has a time machine to go back there and look. Peterson rightly is more focused on the power of the story in shaping a group's consciousness, whereas O'Connor is operating from a positivist view of history and religion.

My own personal opinion, based on reading historical critical scholarship, is that the Exodus represents historical memory, similar to a legend. We know that Egyptians did enslave Canaanites from time to time, and sometimes these slaves escaped across the marshlands of the Nile delta, particularly during the Bronze Age Collapse when the Egyptian empire was in decline. It likely contains historical elements, mixed with contemporary concerns that came after the fact.
 
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