SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

RileyG said:

The same can be said about the LGBT movement and those who do. not want to participate in it etc.

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What did I just say in my second to last reply to you? Here's what I said:

Foamhead said:

Otherwise unless there are laws or people attempting to pass laws forcing you to be LGBT or live as an LGBT person, I fail to see the analogy.

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I gave you a lot fo credit up to this point, don't do things that make me think less.

Foamhead said:

What did I just say in my second to last reply to you? Here's what I said:


I gave you a lot fo credit up to this point, don't do things that make me think less.

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Not living as an LGBT person- rather, partake in ceremonies where LGBT behavior is affirmed, such as baking cakes for weddings, florists, photographers, forcing them to conform it's so-called "normal" etc

(If someone opposes it for any reason- they have a right to say no. Period)

Sorry....we are getting off topic.

RileyG said:

Not living as an LGBT person- rather, partake in ceremonies where LGBT behavior is affirmed, such as baking cakes for weddings, florists, photographers, forcing them to conform it's so-called "normal" etc

(If someone opposes it for any reason- they have a right to say no. Period)

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Not a slam dunk in a diverse secular state. Sometimes religious reasons aren't enough.

Here' an example: Adultery is a sin, Indeed, if you look at how it is treated in the Bible, it is a more grievous sin than LGBT. It's even one of the Ten Commandments. If your church forbids divorce, as many churches do, then a person who divorces and subsequently marries another person is committing adultery according to the doctrine of your church, even if they are not a member of it. So, if your co-worker is married to Mr. Jones you call her Mrs. Jones. If she divorces and then marries Mr. Smith,.your boss will expect you to call her Mrs Smith. Will you? Or will you say no?

rjs330 said:

I'm not. It's the professionals that have done this is other countries. And professionals in this one that think the same thing. Health care professionals here are now backward compared to the rest of the world.

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Your opinion is noted.

RileyG said:

Behavior is a choice. Just like choosing to be religious. Neither should be "punished" by society.

I disagree, it's not "the way they are."

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They claim it is. I believe their view over their own state better then you, just as I would believe your claims about yourself.

rturner76 said:

I never said it wasn't. They cover the treatment of gender dysphoria.

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You're repeating false information.

I already posted a link showing that someone doesn't need gender dysphoria for treatment....and that includes puberty blockers, hormones, or surgery.

rturner76 said:

Why would medical insurance pay for something that wasn't related to medical care?

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Because they are required to by obamacare.

I believe it's the third time I've answered this question. You can look it up yourself at this point or just stop asking.

rturner76 said:

It's not listed as a transgender disorder.

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It's not listed at all.

A transgender person does not have to experience gender dysphoria to be transgender....it's just a claim someone makes without any evidence at all.

rturner76 said:

So what are you confused about?

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Absolutely nothing. If you want though, I'll gladly list off all the things you're confused about.

BCP1928 said:

How do you know? How do you even know that men and women have different feelings?

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Good questions.

Belk said:

They claim it is. I believe their view over their own state better then you, just as I would believe your claims about yourself.

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They can be wrong.

Foamhead said:

You're not entitled to an answer just because you ask a question, especially a question that's already been answered.

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Pretend you're in a discussion forum having a discussion.

Foamhead said:

You are not a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, and do not have any expertise whatsoever on gender identity disorder.

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Again, pretend you're having a discussion on a discussion forum. If you prefer....I can show you what WPATH actually knows and what they say behind closed doors. You know, the "experts".

Foamhead said:

You certainly don't know more about it then a trans person.

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That's debatable.

Foamhead said:

You do hate LGBT people and you are indeed an authoritarian trying to impose a religious ideology on the rest of us.

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Yeesh.


The thing that makes an ad hominem attack wrong is that even if these horrible things were true, about the person whom you presume to judge...it doesn't make their arguments wrong.

Foamhead said:

Masking it as concern for biology or "for the children" doesn't move anyone.

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That's telling. I think the people being experimented on should be the priority here....not whatever your reasons for arguing are.

Foamhead said:

You're free to tell yourself whatever you have to, I see through you and people like you. There are interviews with people who participated in lynchings back in the 1800 and early 1900's where the interview subjects stated they weren't racist and didn't hate black people, including the thugs that murdered Emmett Till. Some were saying this as they stood in front of the victims still hanging from the tree. Someone saying they don't hate a demographic or that they aren't a bigot doesn't mean they aren't, it just means they totally lack self awareness because their vile worldview is the soup they swim in.

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There's people like you called progressives who sterilized people for perceived and imaginary flaws for multiple decades in multiple nations under the guidance of "experts" later found to be wrong.

It's called eugenics, look it up.

Also, "gender identity disorder" was removed from the DSM-5. It's not a "thing" anymore according to the experts.

Ana the Ist said:

Good questions.

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But not important to the discussion, really.

rjs330 said:

Whats imaginary? Let me guess, the effort to alter society.
Is the effort to let men use women's bathrooms imaginary?
What about the effort to let men use women's locker room? Is that imaginary?
How about the effort to let men participate in woman's sports? Is that imaginary too?
The effort to alter language.
The effort to alter the application of pronouns
The effort to alter medical practice.

I could go on. You've been on these discussions before and you know goid a well that every one of those things is happening. And can be proven to be happening and have been proven. It seems that you ate the one not to be trusted. It's called gas lighting. The old attempted Jedi mind trick. "You aren't really seeing what's in front of your face. I didnt really have my hand in the cookie jar."

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The imaginary part is that those things add up to an 'ideology which wants to completely reorder our society.' The Woke monster hides under your bed, not ours.

Ana the Ist said:

I already posted a link showing that someone doesn't need gender dysphoria for treatment....and that includes puberty blockers, hormones, or surgery

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Maybe they don't often, most insurance companies will not pay for it unless it is a part of the treatment of things like,

Ana the Ist said:

Because they are required to by obamacare.

I believe it's the third time I've answered this question. You can look it up yourself at this point or just stop asking.

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Many health plans are still using exclusions such as “services related to sex change” or “sex reassignment surgery” to deny coverage to transgender people for certain health care services. Coverage varies by state.


It really depends on your individual coverage what is or is not payed for. There is no "every person who believes they are transgender get services paid for." It seems that insurance companies either treat or exclude treatment for these diagnoses “gender change,” “transsexualism,” “gender identity disorder,” and “gender identity dysphoria.”

Whether or not it is covered, the medical treatment one is seeking for their, I guess YOU would call "gender preference." is based on the treatment of the disorders quoted above.

Otherwise, if it's not a medical disorder, why would they even seek medical attention? Elective plastic surgery requires no diagnosis but then insurance usually doesn't pay for that. In terms of the payment for medical bills, both doctors and insurance companies need to make clear exactly what is being treated. In order to determine what they are treating, they need to make a diagnosis. "I want to be a girl" is not listed as a malady unless it is decided that they are afflicted with one of the accepted diagnoses of the illness. I mean just for a doctor to make a treatment plan (whatever that includes) they must diagnose what they are treating. Why does that not compute?

Ana the Ist said:

A transgender person does not have to experience gender dysphoria to be transgender....it's just a claim someone makes without any evidence at all.

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Right, so if not a gender disorder (which has more names than gender dysphoria, it's just the go to for this malady for many doctors) what would the doctor be treating? All my life, I have been under the impression that the life's work of a medical doctor was to treat medical disorders. Did that change with Obamacare, or in your worldview gender disorders are a myth?

Ana the Ist said:

Absolutely nothing. If you want though, I'll gladly list off all the things you're confused about.

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Instead, why don't I tell you where YOU drop the ball.......Indicating that all transgender treatment (which is a loaded phrase because it doesn't differentiate whether someone is being treated FOR "transgender" or if they are a transgender seeking medical treatment for something else. So your vocabulary does not match up with medical terminology. The notion that "transgender" is a personal preference and not a medical disorder. The fact that you think "everybody's" insurance treats "transgender". Especially when there are insurance plans that only cover the E/R. not to mention the vast differences in everyone's individual heath insurance coverage government or private.

I think where you get confused about the "Obamacare" thing is because of this:
"If you believe a plan unlawfully discriminates, you can file complaints of discrimination with your state’s Department of Insurance, or report the issue to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services by email.

So they can't refuse transgender people's treatment but it doesn't require that doctor's treat a medical condition that they don't have.

The last thing you are confused about is the term "transgender." in general. That term doesn't describe how a person feels, it describes someone who was born one gender and lives as another (with or without surgery). So one doesn't HAVE transgender, that ARE a transgender person.

Does that clear it up for you? Hope you are having a relaxing Sunday!

rjs330 said:

Whew, who's being vile? Comparing someone like me to thosecwho lynched people? I'm wondering now who exactly hates who?

Please share with us the things I've said that were based on religion.

Authoritarian, really? What are you talking about friend? I haven't tried to lynch a single trans person. Nor have I attempted to outlaw it or put it in policy ro punish trans people. But trans people have certainly done things to punish those those who disagree with the ideology. Take away thier jobs or put them in jail. Take away their rewards or scholarships. I don't think I've done or suggested any of that fir trans people.

I would much rather have us live together in a live and let live environment. You be trans and I be not trans and we just go on about our business. We can live and work together just fine.

You know I've worked with gay people my whole life. We've gotten along great. We've eaten together, shared laughs and sadness, Had lunch and coffee. I've been to thier houses. Rode in the same cars. Attended events. They were invited and came to my wedding. If I really hated them I wouldn't have any of that. I hold a deep sadness for them and you. What you live with is not easy. I know it's a serious struggle. I know some trans people. Tbey have some very serious mental health issue they are going through. I want them to get the help they need.

And I don't want kids to be medicaluzed down a pathway when they don't need to be. That's real compassion.

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I didn't compare you to someone who commits lynching, I used it as an example of how even the worst bigots think they aren't.

Belk said:

They claim it is. I believe their view over their own state better then you, just as I would believe your claims about yourself.

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How? One’s behavior does not define a person.

BCP1928 said:

Not a slam dunk in a diverse secular state. Sometimes religious reasons aren't enough.

Here' an example: Adultery is a sin, Indeed, if you look at how it is treated in the Bible, it is a more grievous sin than LGBT. It's even one of the Ten Commandments. If your church forbids divorce, as many churches do, then a person who divorces and subsequently marries another person is committing adultery according to the doctrine of your church, even if they are not a member of it. So, if your co-worker is married to Mr. Jones you call her Mrs. Jones. If she divorces and then marries Mr. Smith,.your boss will expect you to call her Mrs Smith. Will you? Or will you say no?

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That doesn’t mean you are participating in their ceremonies.