Poll - will Joe Biden Debate Donald Trump on National TV?

stevil said:

I don't think so. As far as I am aware Trump has said these things, either on TV (in which case I've actually seen and heard the footage), or been recounts by Republicans in the room. They might have lied, they might have exaggerated, IDK. But if true, it's very concerning things, stuff I'd expect a home person sitting on the couch might shout out at their tv, but not what I would expect a world leader with lots of highly qualified people and resources at their disposal to say, especially not as part of a public speach.
I wouldn't mind if Trump had discussed with Task force scientists behind closed doors if disinffectant should be researched as a remedy for people that are ill with Covid, but for him to blurt this unqualified thought out on the daily Taskforce public brief is weird and dangerous.

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BPPLEE said:

Biden-Trump Gaffe Tracker: Biden Gets 2021 Inflation Rate Wrong, Trump Bizarrely Riffs About Hot Dogs, Hannibal Lecter And Sinatra

Biden, 81, is the oldest president in history and Trump, 77, would be the second-oldest if he wins in November. And they’re increasingly frequent misspoken comments have drawn increased scrutiny—and concern.

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That's an interesting read, thanks for providing it.

To me the key message is

Experts have cautioned against reading into the candidates’ verbal slip-ups on the campaign trail, arguing they can’t necessarily be attributed to old age. "We make mistakes. The probability of slip-ups rises as we get older. That has nothing to do with judgment," S. Jay Olshansky, a professor in the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois at Chicago, told Reuters, adding “Someone commenting on Trump turning right when he should have turned left? Big deal. Tripping? Join the club. A misspoken word? It happens to all of us. None of us would survive a 24/7 camera."

I would say, get concerned about people's intent and campaign promises if something in that concerns you. Don't get worried if a person mis-speaks a word during a live speech.
If you are trying to get the point across that Biden is old, I will agree, he is old. Trump is also old.
If you ask me whether Biden is flexible and nimble, I'd say no, he's old and seem physically frail, he often shuffles when he walks.
Trump is obese, doesn't eat well, is also old and seems awkward at times when holding a glass to drink.

But so what? We know they are old and shouldn't be in the boxing ring.

I'm not playing up Trump's gaffes of confusing Haley for Pelosi, of saying WWII when he obviously meant WWIII, of saying he campaigned against Obama when he meant Biden. So what? Why don't we just focus on things that actually matter rather than degrade ourselves and our own reputations by going hyper partisan and attacking every little mistake of the other guy and defending everything of our guy?

stevil said:

That's an interesting read, thanks for providing it.

To me the key message is

Experts have cautioned against reading into the candidates’ verbal slip-ups on the campaign trail, arguing they can’t necessarily be attributed to old age. "We make mistakes. The probability of slip-ups rises as we get older. That has nothing to do with judgment," S. Jay Olshansky, a professor in the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois at Chicago, told Reuters, adding “Someone commenting on Trump turning right when he should have turned left? Big deal. Tripping? Join the club. A misspoken word? It happens to all of us. None of us would survive a 24/7 camera."

I would say, get concerned about people's intent and campaign promises if something in that concerns you. Don't get worried if a person mis-speaks a word during a live speech.
If you are trying to get the point across that Biden is old, I will agree, he is old. Trump is also old.
If you ask me whether Biden is flexible and nimble, I'd say no, he's old and seem physically frail, he often shuffles when he walks.
Trump is obese, doesn't eat well, is also old and seems awkward at times when holding a glass to drink.

But so what? We know they are old and shouldn't be in the boxing ring.

I'm not playing up Trump's gaffes of confusing Haley for Pelosi, of saying WWII when he obviously meant WWIII, of saying he campaigned against Obama when he meant Biden. So what? Why don't we just focus on things that actually matter rather than degrade ourselves and our own reputations by going hyper partisan and attacking every little mistake of the other guy and defending everything of our guy?

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I don’t defend everything Trump does. I’m the first to admit he’s done some idiotic things.
He has been more disciplined lately though

stevil said:

That's an interesting read, thanks for providing it.

To me the key message is

Experts have cautioned against reading into the candidates’ verbal slip-ups on the campaign trail, arguing they can’t necessarily be attributed to old age. "We make mistakes. The probability of slip-ups rises as we get older. That has nothing to do with judgment," S. Jay Olshansky, a professor in the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois at Chicago, told Reuters, adding “Someone commenting on Trump turning right when he should have turned left? Big deal. Tripping? Join the club. A misspoken word? It happens to all of us. None of us would survive a 24/7 camera."

I would say, get concerned about people's intent and campaign promises if something in that concerns you. Don't get worried if a person mis-speaks a word during a live speech.
If you are trying to get the point across that Biden is old, I will agree, he is old. Trump is also old.
If you ask me whether Biden is flexible and nimble, I'd say no, he's old and seem physically frail, he often shuffles when he walks.
Trump is obese, doesn't eat well, is also old and seems awkward at times when holding a glass to drink.

But so what? We know they are old and shouldn't be in the boxing ring.

I'm not playing up Trump's gaffes of confusing Haley for Pelosi, of saying WWII when he obviously meant WWIII, of saying he campaigned against Obama when he meant Biden. So what? Why don't we just focus on things that actually matter rather than degrade ourselves and our own reputations by going hyper partisan and attacking every little mistake of the other guy and defending everything of our guy?

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I was deeply concerned when Biden said he would consider anyone that did not vote for him to not be Black. I am old but we had a name for that card that is no longer used with polite people but he went there and I see he has sewed it into his reign. Promise them everything and rob everyone... sad.

th1bill said:

I was deeply concerned when Biden said he would consider anyone that did not vote for him to not be Black.

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Yeah, that's a pretty dumb thing to say. It's certainly not helpful for a white man to be telling blacks which ones of them are black or not.

He later apologised for it. So at least there's that.
“I shouldn’t have been such a wise guy,” Mr. Biden said in a call with the U.S. Black Chambers. “I shouldn’t have been so cavalier.” He later said that he had not been expected to join the call, a possible sign of a hastily arranged appearance.

“I don’t take it for granted at all,” he said later Friday. “No one, no one, should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background. There are African-Americans who think that Trump was worth voting for. I don’t think so, I’m prepared to put my record against his. That was the bottom line and it was, it was really unfortunate.”

stevil said:

Yeah, that's a pretty dumb thing to say. It's certainly not helpful for a white man to be telling blacks which ones of them are black or not.

He later apologised for it. So at least there's that.
“I shouldn’t have been such a wise guy,” Mr. Biden said in a call with the U.S. Black Chambers. “I shouldn’t have been so cavalier.” He later said that he had not been expected to join the call, a possible sign of a hastily arranged appearance.

“I don’t take it for granted at all,” he said later Friday. “No one, no one, should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background. There are African-Americans who think that Trump was worth voting for. I don’t think so, I’m prepared to put my record against his. That was the bottom line and it was, it was really unfortunate.”

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It was really unfortunate that some African Americans think Trump was worth voting for?
Strange way to apologize

BPPLEE said:

It was really unfortunate that some African Americans think Trump was worth voting for?
Strange way to apologize

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I'm pretty sure he was saying it was unfortunate what he previously said.

Well, of course he is trying to win over everyone's vote. But yeah to assume that there aren't any Conservative blacks is bad but to then tell them that they aren't black if they vote for Trump is pretty horrendous, especially coming from a white guy.

stevil said:

I'm pretty sure he was saying it was unfortunate what he previously said.

Well, of course he is trying to win over everyone's vote. But yeah to assume that there aren't any Conservative blacks is bad but to then tell them that they aren't black if they vote for Trump is pretty horrendous, especially coming from a white guy.

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I’ll have to give him a break on this one, it was a slip. He was trying to speak off the cuff and he made a fool of himself. But he tried to apologize.

tampasteve said:

Ha, all the time. But honestly a mistake in a pre-written speech that I either wrote or had a hand in writing, and practiced ahead of time will contain very few to no mistakes because I have reasonable comprehension and memory. In the rare instances that it does happen I correct myself in the time that it happens, because again, I am comprehending what I am speaking about when I am speaking about it - because I am prepared with the content as it is not the first time that I read it. I am also not the President of the United States, who should know the material and have practiced it to a level above what a normal person would speak. We are not talking about a person answering questions or making a speech out of thin air, this is a pre-written speech that he would know the full content ahead of time and should have drilled on.

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I used to practice my sermons and sometimes recorded them and listened to them during the week before I preached. My Wednesday night class with the Youth didn’t require as much preparation and I could improvise a little

tampasteve said:

Ha, all the time. But honestly a mistake in a pre-written speech that I either wrote or had a hand in writing, and practiced ahead of time will contain very few to no mistakes because I have reasonable comprehension and memory. In the rare instances that it does happen I correct myself in the time that it happens, because again, I am comprehending what I am speaking about when I am speaking about it - because I am prepared with the content as it is not the first time that I read it. I am also not the President of the United States, who should know the material and have practiced it to a level above what a normal person would speak. We are not talking about a person answering questions or making a speech out of thin air, this is a pre-written speech that he would know the full content ahead of time and should have drilled on.

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I'm really awful at reading text outloud. I not only don't write the text of my talks, but I'd prefer to not even rehearse them. (Lately I've been running into time constraints and need to determine what will fit and what must be cut.)

Hans Blaster said:

I'm really awful at reading text outloud. I not only don't write the text of my talks, but I'd prefer to not even rehearse them. (Lately I've been running into time constraints and need to determine what will fit and what must be cut.)

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I put every word on paper. I section it off in paragraphs and put blocks around it to separate it into sections. When I look at it, I know that section and I have the words right there if I need a reminder.. That’s what works for me

Before I fell off the Mixer and was forced onto SSD, I studied the text I would teach from, consulting my Commentaries and on Sunday Morning I carried my Bible into my classroom, prayed that Ruach would move the silly man aside and speak through my mouth. What is the best way to teach the scriptures? The way Yahova chooses to use us. Anyone putting on Eliajah's Mantle must be yielded and brave.

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tampasteve said:

Ha, all the time. But honestly a mistake in a pre-written speech that I either wrote or had a hand in writing, and practiced ahead of time will contain very few to no mistakes because I have reasonable comprehension and memory. In the rare instances that it does happen I correct myself in the time that it happens, because again, I am comprehending what I am speaking about when I am speaking about it - because I am prepared with the content as it is not the first time that I read it.

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Well good for you.

tampasteve said:

I am also not the President of the United States, who should know the material and have practiced it to a level above what a normal person would speak.

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I would imagine that the President of the USA would be a very busy position, perhaps hours of practicing a speech is a luxury that is hard to find.

tampasteve said:

We are not talking about a person answering questions or making a speech out of thin air, this is a pre-written speech that he would know the full content ahead of time and should have drilled on.

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He made a mistake in reading a speech, quick, someone call the cops, or perhaps maybe Comer can impeach him. Fingers crossed.

stevil said:

Well good for you.



I would imagine that the President of the USA would be a very busy position, perhaps hours of practicing a speech is a luxury that is hard to find.

He made a mistake in reading a speech, quick, someone call the cops, or perhaps maybe Comer can impeach him. Fingers crossed.

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It may seem to you like people overreact but it anyone else had given that speech to the NAACP they would’ve been assumed to be drunk or on drugs..
And this is the president of the United States. We have to go back and explain what he meant nine times in one speech.
That’s a problem

BPPLEE said:

It may seem to you like people overreact but it anyone else had given that speech to the NAACP they would’ve been assumed to be drunk or on drugs..
And this is the president of the United States. We have to go back and explain what he meant nine times in one speech.
That’s a problem

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I didn't have any problems when D Trump misspoke.
When he said the wrong town, the wrong country, the wrong person, the wrong war.

People make mistakes, they misspeak. No one is perfect all the time, except perhaps for that one poster I was talking to. My first time ever talking to a person who is perfect, what a privilege to bask in his perfection.

But for the rest of us, we all make mistakes from time to time.
I'd be more worried about stupidity than simply a misspoken word.
Biden saying that you're not a black if you voted Trump, is stupidity.
Trump calling a black person HIS African American is stupidity.

But even that isn't a huge worry, we can all have moments of stupidity when we talk in conversations. I can sometimes go away from a conversation with someone and later beat myself up for saying some pretty stupid and regretful things.

I appreciate when a person owns up to their mistakes and corrects the record.
I hate it when they double down, like when Trump drew a sharpie on that Weather/hurricane projection.
Come-on, do you think we are all fools? Just man up and own up and move on, no big deal.

th1bill said:

I was deeply concerned when Biden said he would consider anyone that did not vote for him to not be Black. I am old but we had a name for that card that is no longer used with polite people but he went there and I see he has sewed it into his reign. Promise them everything and rob everyone... sad.

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Biden tried to make a dumb joke on a podcast when he said that and it backfired and had to apologize for it. On the other hand, Trump seemed to be quite serious when he said:

“Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion. They hate everything about Israel and they should be ashamed of themselves because Israel will be destroyed.”


Explain to me how Trump, a non Jew deciding what is a good or bad Jew is any different than Biden, a white man joking saying someone’s not black if they don’t vote for him.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Biden tried to make a dumb joke on a podcast when he said that and it backfired and had to apologize for it. On the other hand, Trump seemed to be quite serious when he said:

“Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion. They hate everything about Israel and they should be ashamed of themselves because Israel will be destroyed.”

Trump says Jews who vote for Democrats 'hate Israel' and their religion

Former President Donald Trump on Monday charged that Jews who vote for Democrats “hate Israel” and hate “their religion,” igniting a firestorm of criticism from the White House and Jewish leaders.

apnews.com

Explain to me how Trump, a non Jew deciding what is a good or bad Jew is any different than Biden, a white man joking saying someone’s not black if they don’t vote for him.

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If you missed that President Trump loves this nation and it's people and approached his job with logic, I can't explain it to you.

th1bill said:

If you missed that President Trump loves this nation and it's people and approached his job with logic, I can't explain it to you.

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This came out of the blue. You didn't respond to the post, you just switched to this.

stevil said:

This came out of the blue. You didn't respond to the post, you just switched to this.

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Seeking depth in a stream seems wildly optimistic.