Why Everyone Needs An AR-15

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Would you agree that these attacks are at least 1000 times more common than attacks with “assault rifles” if not more?

Attacks with assault rifles tend to be more deadly in terms of body count and often are terroristic in nature, so I would argue that their cost to society and to individuals isn't comparable in a one-to-one manner like that.
 
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Well ,that is always the best when possbile though in many states no longer required, but sometimes it is not and in those cases violence can be the only way to stop the threat or at least threatened violence that would be either banishing a weapon or even making it known you have a weapon. Again, in many if not most states now you do not HAVE to flee before using force, but when possbile it is always better(except if a person is at home I wouldd go ahead and say use force as that is your castle, but that is just me and I certainly would not judge someone who chose not to do that
A valid question about fleeing is how is that possible in your own home. The main issue in some states with the requirement to flee is that it's sufficiently nebulous as to allow prosecution of someone who had to defend him or herself. It's always far better to try to avoid such situations to begin with, but that's not always possible, particularly with someone who's already committed to doing you harm.
 
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I already mentioned wild pigs. Shall I continue; or is one reason not good enough for those who would attack my God given rights?
Are they God-given or government-given? Is it paranoia of a governmental collapse, fear of a squad of assassins attacking your home? Why else would one find it necessary to keep an AR with multiple 30-round mags if they don't intend to kill anyone? Else, is it just a comfort for people to know that they can blow away hundreds of people? Is everyone responsible enough to keep their AR out of the hands of their dysfunctional child who desires to blast away an elementary school full of kids?
 
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These people do rob houses
Not really, they mosty sell drugs. Even so, Is it really a need to be able to shoot 90 people within a few minutes?
7500 homicides committed each year with handguns and 500 committed with rifles and that’s not only “assault rifles” that’s ALL rifles not including shotguns which is around 80 per year. So your logic is completely absurd that I should choose a weapon that has a maximum ammo capacity of 5 shots. So who’s being more paranoid, the person worried about one attacker every 10-15 years or the person whose worried about the person worrying about the 32,250,000 burglaries that take place in the same amount of time?
Handguns can be concealed much easier than rifles. That is why they are the preferred choice for criminals. Even if there are a insane number of burglaries that go on, when in your home, what can fill a room with lead better than a shotgun? AR-15, and AK-47s are also the preferred choice of school shooters.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying people don't have a right to an AR (though when the 2nd was written they were using muskets). I'm saying why the overkill? If you want to blow someone away just use a shotgun with alternating rounds of 00 buckshot and slugs and I am sure one can kill anything moving. The fact that there are so many burglaries in one of the reasons these "gangs and cartels" can obtain an assault rifle. Also it's how kids obtain them and blow away half their school. Or that guy in Las Vegas who shot like 400+ people in a stadium. That would have been much more difficult with a shotgun. It's not about making them illegal for me, it's about saying "why the overkill."
 
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The point that seems to be lost is that self-defense is the last resort, not the first.
I take the position that self defense is the 1st priority; but that self defense does not have to result in the use of force. My martial arts training has taught me that the best way to win a fight is to not be there, to be aware of the signs of danger, and avoid a confrontation before it happens. If a confrontation arises; and I'm in a position to flee; that fleeing is easier, and poses fewer risks. Massad Ayoob wrote an excellent book called 'The Truth About Self Protection', which details numerous perilous situations, and steps to deescalate them without having to use deadly force.
 
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Are they God-given or government-given?
Rights are given by God. Privileges are given to the government by We the People. You might start by reading the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

You might also find this common sense video enlightening:

 
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Where do we finally draw the line because if you remove 30 round magazines then they’ll have 20. And those will be the new preferred magazines for mass shootings. So then you get rid of those now we have 10 found magazines and those become the new preferred magazines for mass shooters so now we’re down to 5 and the problem keeps persisting until we aren’t allowed to have anything at all.
Most Americans, including most veterans, support a ban on high-capacity magazines, but few if any of those same Americans would ever support abolishing all guns. If there was ever an attempt by the US government to ban all guns, the American people wouldn't allow it.

These bans don’t solve the problem which is an extremely rare problem I might add.
In just the past two weeks alone, two police officers have been killed, three children shot, two of whom were 7 years old and one 1 year old, in which one of the 7-year-olds died, and 18 others, two of whom were killed in three separate incidents in Selina, NY, Memphis, TN, and Chicago, IL. In each of these incidents, an AR-15 was used; 22 victims, 5 of whom were killed.
 
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Is it paranoia of a governmental collapse, fear of a squad of assassins attacking your home?
Do you purchase insurance? Do you wear seat belts? Do you lock the doors to your home?

If the answer is yes to any of the above; please explain why.
 
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Not really, they mosty sell drugs. Even so, Is it really a need to be able to shoot 90 people within a few minutes?
Yeah but it’s nice to know that after you shot one guy you still have plenty left in case there’s more. And there are plenty of situations where you might need 30 rounds just to hit one guy. In an exchange of fire you don’t have the luxury of taking a good aim so it’s not uncommon that you might miss a few times and you might have to shoot thru an object that someone is taking cover behind, like a wall for example. If you know someone is behind the wall you’re going to need to shoot several rounds thru it all over the place since you don’t know exactly where he’s standing behind it. My plan of action if someone breaks into my house at night is to shoot thru the wall if someone comes up my stairs because my stairs make a creaking sound if anyone walks on them. The first thing I’ll do is grab my gun check my daughter’s room right across from mine to make sure they’re in there and holler to the person downstairs “I have a gun, the cops are on their way, if you come upstairs I’m going to shoot you”. At that point if anyone comes upstairs I’m going to shoot thru the wall because it’s a lot better than me coming around the only corner at the top of the stairs and getting shot. Anyone coming up the stairs with a gun is going to be pointing it at the only corner I could possibly come around to shoot them. So I’ll have to shoot several rounds thru the wall not knowing exactly where they’re at. As of now this isn’t a good tactic for me because I only have a .22 pistol but I’m hoping to upgrade to a 9mm when I can.
 
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....In just the past two weeks alone, two police officers have been killed, three children shot, two of whom were 7 years old and one 1 year old, in which one of the 7-year-olds died, and 18 others, two of whom were killed in three separate incidents in Selina, NY, Memphis, TN, and Chicago, IL. In each of these incidents, an AR-15 was used; 22 victims and 5 deaths.
Now, can you tell us how many people were shot with other types of guns during that same time period? According to the NIH, "assault weapons" are only used less than 7% of the time, which means that other guns were used around 93% of the time. So why not focus on those?
 
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If there was ever an attempt by the US government to ban all guns, the American people wouldn't allow it.
That pesky Constitution, and that Supreme Court that defends it!
 
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Rights are given by God. Privileges are given to the government by We the People. You might start by reading the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

You might also find this common sense video enlightening:

I thought "We The People" insured our rights because when I think of places like North Korea, God doesn't seem to have insured their rights. So I can't totally disagree with you and say we have been given no rights by God. However those same rights have been named "human rights" and "universal rights." So while I concede that God has granted certain rights as laid out in the Constitution, it's the government that ensures them.

The example I want to give is the United States granting white males the "right" to own slaves. The Constitution as it is written says "all men are created equal." The government at that time did not comply with the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" to "All Men" until much later when people of color were granted their full Federal civil rights.

That is one of the reasons I say yes, God did grant us certain rights, it's the governments of our individual countries that ensure them.
 
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In just the past two weeks alone, two police officers have been killed, three children shot, two of whom were 7 years old and one 1 year old, in which one of the 7-year-olds died, and 18 others, two of whom were killed in three separate incidents in Selina, NY, Memphis, TN, and Chicago, IL. In each of these incidents, an AR-15 was used; 22 victims, 5 of whom were killed.
I thought that we already went over this. You are more like to be punched or stomped to death; than to be murdered with an AR-15
 
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I thought "We The People" insured our rights because when I think of places like North Korea, God doesn't seem to have insured their rights. So I can't totally disagree with you and say we have been given no rights by God. However those same rights have been named "human rights" and "universal rights." So while I concede that God has granted certain rights as laid out in the Constitution, it's the government that ensures them.
You're mistaken. The power has always been with the people. This is why after England killed their Tyrant; that it was required that every man own arms according to his means. A Tyrant can't raise enough taxes, to build an army large enough, to enslave an armed people.

Our Founders, as Englishmen, understood this axiom.
 
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The example I want to give is the United States granting white males the "right" to own slaves. The Constitution as it is written says "all men are created equal." The government at that time did not comply with the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" to "All Men" until much later when people of color were granted their full Federal civil rights.
It was just "white males." That sounds racist. Everyone who was free was allowed to own slaves. Fortunately liberty prevailed. Now the descendants of those slaves have the power to exercise their God given rights to protect themselves, and their liberty, with firearms.

Free men own arms. Slaves don't.

Don't you just love liberty?
 
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Yeah but it’s nice to know that after you shot one guy you still have plenty left in case there’s more. And there are plenty of situations where you might need 30 rounds just to hit one guy. In an exchange of fire you don’t have the luxury of taking a good aim so it’s not uncommon that you might miss a few times and you might have to shoot thru an object that someone is taking cover behind, like a wall for example. If you know someone is behind the wall you’re going to need to shoot several rounds thru it all over the place since you don’t know exactly where he’s standing behind it. My plan of action if someone breaks into my house at night is to shoot thru the wall if someone comes up my stairs because my stairs make a creaking sound if anyone walks on them. The first thing I’ll do is grab my gun check my daughter’s room right across from mine to make sure they’re in there and holler to the person downstairs “I have a gun, the cops are on their way, if you come upstairs I’m going to shoot you”. At that point if anyone comes upstairs I’m going to shoot thru the wall because it’s a lot better than me coming around the only corner at the top of the stairs and getting shot. Anyone coming up the stairs with a gun is going to be pointing it at the only corner I could possibly come around to shoot them. So I’ll have to shoot several rounds thru the wall not knowing exactly where they’re at. As of now this isn’t a good tactic for me because I only have a .22 pistol but I’m hoping to upgrade to a 9mm when I can.
I used to be a big-time gun owner. I had an AK, a shotgun, a .357, a CZ 52, a .22 rifle, a Lorcin .380 (cheap trash pistol), and a few others I don't recall all. So believe me when I say that I can feel the need to protect oneself as aggressively as possible. It's just that I came to a point where I believe God spoke to me (or my inner mind), and said "who's better to trust, God or guns." I looked at everything I had and realized that it was more than I could ever wield. I gave them up, but I trust God to either keep me safe or take me home. Having said that, I do not have a wife nor children. Perhaps I would think differently then. I can see shooting through a wall with a 30.06 or even a .50 caliber sniper rifle. It's just that it breaks my heart to see people shooting into a crowd or school with so many rounds on tap. That's more of the danger to me than the caliber.

So I don't picket or sight petitions to ban certain weapons. I just try to ask people "do you really need all of those bullets in one magazine?" If someone does have their reasons I can respect that but I' aiming to suggest that there is another way to protect one's land or home.

EDIT: Also, one of the dangers I think of is that I'm pretty sure the cartels mostly go through arms dealers but the street gangs I've read get the majority of their weapons from burglaries and robberies. It just makes me nervous the power that is given to someone to kill so many so fast. My personal logic tells me that if someone has to reload eve 6-9 shote, more people will have a chance to get away. It's not that law-abiding citizens can't be trusted but I think of people's carelessness in storing them and allowing them to get in the hands of people who wish to do harm
 
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I used to be a big-time gun owner. I had an AK, a shotgun, a .357, a CZ 52, a .22 rifle, a Lorcin .380 (cheap trash pistol), and a few others I don't recall all. So believe me when I say that I can feel the need to protect oneself as aggressively as possible. It's just that I came to a point where I believe God spoke to me (or my inner mind), and said "who's better to trust, God or guns." I looked at everything I had and realized that it was more than I could ever wield. I gave them up, but I trust God to either keep me safe or take me home. Having said that, I do not have a wife nor children. Perhaps I would think differently then. I can see shooting through a wall with a 30.06 or even a .50 caliber sniper rifle. It's just that it breaks my heart to see people shooting into a crowd or school with so many rounds on tap. That's more of the danger to me than the caliber.

So I don't picket or sight petitions to ban certain weapons. I just try to ask people "do you really need all of those bullets in one magazine?" If someone does have their reasons I can respect that but I' aiming to suggest that there is another way to protect one's land or home.
If you own an AR15 and don't want so many rounds on tap, you could either use a 10 round (or smaller) magazine, or you could just load a standard 30 rounder with 6 if that's all you think you might need.
 
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