How Easter was used to replace the Sabbath

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Scripture tells us His Word is a light to our path Psa 119:105 and going away from it there is no light Isa 8:20. Seems clear to me.

Those verses do not say what you are claiming.

We all agree that the Scriptures are useful for teaching and discipline. We all agree, I imagine, that the scriptures are authoritative. What you are alleging is that they are the ONLY useful thing and nothing else can be used.

Are you saying the Holy Spirit is teaching Gentiles they can worship other gods, not love God with all our hearts, minds and soul, not love our neighbor, covet, steal, murder but as long as they don't do these four things they are abiding in the Holy Spirit. Such a sad teaching.

Acts 15:1-2 lets us know what this is about- circumcision. Not doing away with the Seventh day Sabbath commandment of God that they kept every Sabbath preaching to Jews and Gentiles alike. Acts 18:4.

Paul tells us in Romans that the Gentiles were a "law unto themselves" when they did the will of God without the law.

In this Paul was reflecting the teaching of Judaism that the Gentiles were governed by the 7 Noahide precepts. The generalized law that applied to all people, as apart from the specific Mosaic covenant law, which applied only to Israel.

The seven Noahide precepts included...

the positive injunction to set up courts that justly enforce social laws
the prohibition of blasphemy, i.e. intolerance of worshipping the one God of the universe
the prohibition of idolatry
the prohibitions of grave sexual immorality, such as incest and adultery
the prohibition of murder
the prohibition of theft
the prohibition of eating the limb of a live animal, which is a paradigm for cruelty

The council of Acts was prompted by the question of circumcision, but it doesn't deal only with that. If it was dealing only with circumcision it would have said "you don't have to be circumcised" Instead it said "you only have to do these specific things"

Whether Christians are required to obey the general moral law, what is later called the "Law of Nature" is not in question. The core question under debate was what portions of the specific Mosaic Law are Christians required to keep.

Here is what the book of Acts actually says

Acts chapter 15
4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.

Saying this was only about circumcision is just flat out contradicting scripture. It was about the whole Law of Moses.


Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Can you please tell me when this Prophecy has been fulfilled?

1 Thess 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

This is a blatantly obvious twisting of the scripture. Jesus is clearly and explicitly talking about the LAW, as in the TORAH, not the entirety of scripture. Note that he doesn't even say "The Law and the Prophets" here. He says only "the Law". So what he is talking about doesn't even include the entire Old Testament. It only includes the Torah.

The verses you cite are from the New Testament and literally were not even written yet when Jesus spoke this line. It obvious that this is not what he was talking about.
 
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This is a blatantly obvious twisting of the scripture. Jesus is clearly and explicitly talking about the LAW, as in the TORAH, not the entirety of scripture. Note that he doesn't even say "The Law and the Prophets" here. He says only "the Law". So what he is talking about doesn't even include the entire Old Testament. It only includes the Torah.

The verses you cite are from the New Testament and literally were not even written yet when Jesus spoke this line. It obvious that this is not what he was talking about.
The law and Prophets are the scriptures and Jesus clearly said not a jot or tittle can pass from His law until ALL is fulfilled. Otherwise there would be no point in verse Mat 5:19 because in breaking or teaching others to break the least of these- affects our status in heaven.

Many misinterpret Pauls writings, there is even a warning about it in scripture 2 Peter 3:16, Jesus spoke plainly- If you love Me keep My commandments- The Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken by Him and written by His own finger that Jesus said Remember- and to live by His every Word.

Take care.
 
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The law and Prophets are the scriptures and Jesus clearly said not a jot or tittle can pass from His law until ALL is fulfilled. Otherwise there would be no point in verse Mat 5:19 because in breaking or teaching others to break the least of these- affects our status in heaven.

Many misinterpret Pauls writings, there is even a warning about it in scripture 2 Peter 3:16, Jesus spoke plainly- If you love Me keep My commandments- The Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken by Him and written by His own finger that Jesus said Remember- and to live by His every Word.

Take care.
Hi SB, I glean from you post that you do not believe Jesus did what He said He was going to do. He said He came to fulfil the Law and the Prophets and yet you are claiming He really hasn't done what He said He claimed he was doing and Israel is still under every jot and tittle of the old covenant Law. That is an untruth. Jesus is God and if God came to fulfil the Law then He must have done what He said He was going to do.

Jesus brought to an end to the prophesies concerning His coming. In the same context, Jesus brought to an end the Law (Torah) that Israel was under. What He started at Sinai He "finished" at Calvary. His last words were "it is finished". On the Cross Jesus ratified the new covenant for all mankind, not just the Israelites, with His own Blood. The new and better covenant of Grace is not like the old covenant of Law. The covenant of Law could not save one soul. The everlasting covenant of Grace can save all mankind if we believe in Him and love others as He taught. 1Jn3: 19-24. In 2Cor3:6-12 Paul tells us that the Law written on stone were temporary. Jesus words in Matt 5 ratifies Paul's words in 2Cor3.
 
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Hi SB, I glean from you post that you do not believe Jesus did what He said He was going to do. He said He came to fulfil the Law and the Prophets and yet you are claiming He really hasn't done what He said He claimed he was doing and Israel is still under every jot and tittle of the old covenant Law. That is an untruth. Jesus is God and if God came to fulfil the Law then He must have done what He said He was going to do.

Jesus brought to an end to the prophesies concerning His coming. In the same context, Jesus brought to an end the Law (Torah) that Israel was under. What He started at Sinai He "finished" at Calvary. His last words were "it is finished". On the Cross Jesus ratified the new covenant for all mankind, not just the Israelites, with His own Blood. The new and better covenant of Grace is not like the old covenant of Law. The covenant of Law could not save one soul. The everlasting covenant of Grace can save all mankind if we believe in Him and love others as He taught. 1Jn3: 19-24. In 2Cor3:6-12 Paul tells us that the Law written on stone were temporary. Jesus words in Matt 5 ratifies Paul's words in 2Cor3.
Please point to where Jesus said at the cross we can vain His name, covet and steal or break the least of these commandment? Your understanding of this very important teaching can lead one to the plain warning He gave in Mat 5:19-20 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 7:21-23
 
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Please point to where Jesus said at the cross we can vain His name, covet and steal or break the least of these commandment? Your understanding of this very important teaching can lead one to the plain warning He gave in Mat 5:19-20 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 7:21-23
I only pointed to your grave mistake SB. Jesus didn't leave mankind lawless at Calvary. He gave us a new covenant of LOVE. If mankind LOVES others as Jesus LOVES us we will not steal from others, we will not covet others property.
Gal 5:22 The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


2Cor3:6-12 tells us the ten commandments were only temporary until the Holy Spirit in our hearts replaced them as the guide for Israel and for all mankind. Do you deny the fruit of the Spirit dwelling in us? Do you deny that the Spirit guides us to treat our fellow man with full respect? Do you deny what the ten could not do for Israel the Holy Spirit cannot do for us? That is how I see it in your posts.
 
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I only pointed to your grave mistake SB. Jesus didn't leave mankind lawless at Calvary. He gave us a new covenant of LOVE. If mankind LOVES others as Jesus LOVES us we will not steal from others, we will not covet others property.
Gal 5:22 The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


2Cor3:6-12 tells us the ten commandments were only temporary until the Holy Spirit in our hearts replaced them as the guide for Israel and for all mankind. Do you deny the fruit of the Spirit dwelling in us? Do you deny that the Spirit guides us to treat our fellow man with full respect? Do you deny what the ten could not do for Israel the Holy Spirit cannot do for us? That is how I see it in your posts.
God didn't leave it up to us to pick and choose, Jesus taught not to break the least of these commandments- so if you feel like the one commandment God said to Remember and is holy and blessed by God written personally by God is the one commandment to forget, the opposite of what God said- that can be between you and He.

As for me, I'm going to live by His every Word

Jesus said: The Sabbath was made for man.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil


6,“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone
who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


Only Christ can take away His blessing Num 23:20. You can rely on Paul's out of context scripture we are warned about 2 Peter 3:16 who kept every Sabbath himself Acts 18:4 , as he was a servant of Christ and wanted to join himself to Christ to love His name, as do I.

Take care.
 
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Of course not, the Spirit is given to help us keep God’s commandments John 14:15-18 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32 which leads us to reconciliation. Rev 22:14

The Spirit pleas with us daily if we hear His voice to not harden our hearts in rebellion to God Heb 3:7-8 which is disobedience to God and His commandments , that Jesus said not a jot or tittle can be changed as no man is above the Authority of God and why breaking or teaching to break the least of theses commandments comes with a warning and some consequences . Mat 5:18-30. We need the faith in Jesus and the faith of Jesus. How did He live, Jesus kept all of the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and live to be our example to follow 1 John 2:6
You are right. Jesus "kept all the commandments," because Jesus was a Jew born under the Old Covenant and was legally bound to obey everything commanded in the Law. But Jesus didn't just keep the Sabbath, and a few other commandments, and call it good. Jesus kept ALL of the commandments. Every jot and tittle. Jesus went up to Jerusalem to worship God, as commanded in the Law. Jesus observed the feasts with the appropriate sacrifices and ate of those sacrifices each day, as commanded in the Law. Jesus constructed a booth in Jerusalem and dwelt in it for seven days, as commanded in the Law. Jesus waved palm branches and citron at the feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem, as commanded in the Law. Jesus "appeared before the door of the House of the Lord" and stood in the court of Israel in the Temple in Jerusalem while the High Priest entered the Holiest and made atonement for sin, as commanded in the Law. Jesus paid tithes of all his increase to the Temple in Jerusalem, as commanded in the Law. Jesus paid the annual Temple Shekel, as commanded in the Law. Jesus "kept all the commandments" because the Old Covenant was still in force and legally binding, and he was a male Jew born under the Old Covenant and legally bound to obey all its commandments. It was a covenant, a contract between God and the Jewish people, and Jesus was a Jew.

"But it shall come to pass, if you will not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do ALL his commandments and his statutes which I command you this day; that all these curses shall come upon you ..."

Jesus kept ALL the commandments. You do not. You can not. Because that covenant has been fulfilled, every jot and tittle, and that covenant has passed away. God himself has removed everything He provided for the Law's observance, because that Old Covenant has been fulfilled.

That's not true. Jesus did not say, "no one can change the Law." He said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until ALL the Law was fulfilled. Not broken. Not nullified. Not made void. FULFILLED. Not one jot or tittle would pass away until ALL was fulfilled. Not one jot or tittle, not even those jots and tittles about sacrifices and offerings, NOT ONE would pass away until ALL was fulfilled. If all those jots and tittles about sacrifices have passed away, then ALL the Law has been fulfilled or else you would still be obeying those jots and tittles and going to Jerusalem and offering sacrifices at the Temple.

Either ALL the Law has been fulfilled, or ALL the Law is still legally binding.

In Christ,
Deborah
 
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You are right. Jesus "kept all the commandments," because Jesus was a Jew born under the Old Covenant and was legally bound to obey everything commanded in the Law. But Jesus didn't just keep the Sabbath, and a few other commandments, and call it good. Jesus kept ALL of the commandments. Every jot and tittle. Jesus went up to Jerusalem to worship God, as commanded in the Law. Jesus observed the feasts with the appropriate sacrifices and ate of those sacrifices each day, as commanded in the Law. Jesus constructed a booth in Jerusalem and dwelt in it for seven days, as commanded in the Law. Jesus waved palm branches and citron at the feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem, as commanded in the Law. Jesus "appeared before the door of the House of the Lord" and stood in the court of Israel in the Temple in Jerusalem while the High Priest entered the Holiest and made atonement for sin, as commanded in the Law. Jesus paid tithes of all his increase to the Temple in Jerusalem, as commanded in the Law. Jesus paid the annual Temple Shekel, as commanded in the Law. Jesus "kept all the commandments" because the Old Covenant was still in force and legally binding, and he was a male Jew born under the Old Covenant and legally bound to obey all its commandments. It was a covenant, a contract between God and the Jewish people, and Jesus was a Jew.

"But it shall come to pass, if you will not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do ALL his commandments and his statutes which I command you this day; that all these curses shall come upon you ..."

Jesus kept ALL the commandments. You do not. You can not. Because that covenant has been fulfilled, every jot and tittle, and that covenant has passed away. God himself has removed everything He provided for the Law's observance, because that Old Covenant has been fulfilled.

That's not true. Jesus did not say, "no one can change the Law." He said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until ALL the Law was fulfilled. Not broken. Not nullified. Not made void. FULFILLED. Not one jot or tittle would pass away until ALL was fulfilled. Not one jot or tittle, not even those jots and tittles about sacrifices and offerings, NOT ONE would pass away until ALL was fulfilled. If all those jots and tittles about sacrifices have passed away, then ALL the Law has been fulfilled or else you would still be obeying those jots and tittles and going to Jerusalem and offering sacrifices at the Temple.

Either ALL the Law has been fulfilled, or ALL the Law is still legally binding.

In Christ,
Deborah
There is no scripture that says Jesus was born under the Old Covenant. Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant Heb 9:15 and lived it for our example - His covenant was ratified at the Cross. It is Finished -nothing could be changed.

Do you know that Jesus is our example to follow? Everything He did was righteous and in order to receive His righteousness we must have a right relationship with Him and follow Him- which means having the same faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 and following His example that He lived for us. 1 John 2:6 which He faithfully kept all of the commandments John 15:10 and told us to as well. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 2:29 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exodus 20:6 Hard to have faith in or of Jesus but not His teachings or follow His example. Of course Jesus was born under the law- the same law we are born under. Jesus never kept the commandments so we can profane them. Jesus showed us the way and live by example- our example 1John 2:6 He was tempted in every way, just as we are Heb 4:15 yet without sin to be our example. 1 Peter 2:21-22 Sin is breaking God's commandments even in the NC Rom 7:7 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 not only does Jesus not want us to literally break God's commandments but Jesus doesn't even what us think of doing so in our hearts where sin begins and in doing it is sin and one would be in fear of judgement Mat 5:19-30 hence why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these, as no one is above God. Jesus wants to free us of the bondage of sin and through Christ we can keep His commandments and overcome sin and temptation just as He did.

If all the law is fulfilled i.e. your definition ended- the opposite of what Christ said Mat 5:17-30 and we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, break His holy Sabbath day, steal, covet or break the least of these how do you reconcile Mat 5:19-20 to Mat 5:18
 
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Free from the Law of sin and death...
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not...
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. Romans 7:4

SabbathBlessings, if we take the whole of scripture, Jesus is the Savior of those who could not keep the Law.

The Law was for those 'who wanted to be Jewish'. Jesus destroyed the Temple, and I never signed up to be Jewish, in fact to do so would be to deny Christ - why is that (?).
I respect and keep the Law through Christ, and in Christ, but His teachings and revelations show the Law was spiritual. So I died to the Law so that I might live in Christ. I believe in the principle of taking a day off from my work once a week to spend with God and His church, but the New Covenant reveals that the 'day' is really is not as important as the principle.

This is the exact thing that God asks us to be mature about - and the mistake that the Pharisees fell into - legalism over things that do not effect morality and goodness, as in making it about the rising of the moon or sun, rather than just resting and doing good.

I really appreciate the great resources cited in this thread over Easter, excellent research stuff :)
 
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Free from the Law of sin and death...
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not...
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. Romans 7:4

SabbathBlessings, if we take the whole of scripture, Jesus is the Savior of those who could not keep the Law.

The Law was for those 'who wanted to be Jewish'. Jesus destroyed the Temple, and I never signed up to be Jewish, in fact to do so would be to deny Christ - why is that (?).
I respect and keep the Law through Christ, and in Christ, but His teachings and revelations show the Law was spiritual. So I died to the Law so that I might live in Christ. I believe in the principle of taking a day off from my work once a week to spend with God and His church, but the New Covenant reveals that the 'day' is really is not as important as the principle.

This is the exact thing that God asks us to be mature about - and the mistake that the Pharisees fell into - legalism over things that do not effect morality and goodness, as in making it about the rising of the moon or sun, rather than just resting and doing good.

I really appreciate the great resources cited in this thread over Easter, excellent research stuff :)

Did you actually read Paul in Romans 6?

This says it all...

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Our two choices:

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

It's one of the many reasons why Paul writings comes with a warning. 2 Peter 3:16 Paul is not teaching us to sin or taught something different than what Jesus. taught. He is teaching us that if we are in Christ, we won't be sinning and therefore not under the condemnation of the law, not that we can bypass the law and break. Thats what it means to not be under the law, not that we are free to sin and can now vain God's name, worship other gods, break His holy Sabbath day, murder, covet or break the least of these. He clearly states what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19

Paul also makes this point clear in chapter 8. Read Rom 8:4-8

You might want to read Mat 15. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping their rules over obeying the commandments of God. He calls that spiritually blind and said ones heart is far from Him, the opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written in our hearts and minds,

Can you please show me the scripture that says Jesus is our example to follow except for the laws we don't want to keep and we don't have to follow His teachings or follow His example? I think its safe to follow Jesus. He will only lead us on the narrow bath back to reconciliation. Rev 22:14
 
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You are right. Jesus "kept all the commandments," because Jesus was a Jew born under the Old Covenant and was legally bound to obey everything commanded in the Law. But Jesus didn't just keep the Sabbath, and a few other commandments, and call it good. Jesus kept ALL of the commandments. Every jot and tittle. Jesus went up to Jerusalem to worship God, as commanded in the Law. Jesus observed the feasts with the appropriate sacrifices and ate of those sacrifices each day, as commanded in the Law. Jesus constructed a booth in Jerusalem and dwelt in it for seven days, as commanded in the Law. Jesus waved palm branches and citron at the feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem, as commanded in the Law. Jesus "appeared before the door of the House of the Lord" and stood in the court of Israel in the Temple in Jerusalem while the High Priest entered the Holiest and made atonement for sin, as commanded in the Law. Jesus paid tithes of all his increase to the Temple in Jerusalem, as commanded in the Law. Jesus paid the annual Temple Shekel, as commanded in the Law. Jesus "kept all the commandments" because the Old Covenant was still in force and legally binding, and he was a male Jew born under the Old Covenant and legally bound to obey all its commandments. It was a covenant, a contract between God and the Jewish people, and Jesus was a Jew.

"But it shall come to pass, if you will not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do ALL his commandments and his statutes which I command you this day; that all these curses shall come upon you ..."

Jesus kept ALL the commandments. You do not. You can not. Because that covenant has been fulfilled, every jot and tittle, and that covenant has passed away. God himself has removed everything He provided for the Law's observance, because that Old Covenant has been fulfilled.

That's not true. Jesus did not say, "no one can change the Law." He said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until ALL the Law was fulfilled. Not broken. Not nullified. Not made void. FULFILLED. Not one jot or tittle would pass away until ALL was fulfilled. Not one jot or tittle, not even those jots and tittles about sacrifices and offerings, NOT ONE would pass away until ALL was fulfilled. If all those jots and tittles about sacrifices have passed away, then ALL the Law has been fulfilled or else you would still be obeying those jots and tittles and going to Jerusalem and offering sacrifices at the Temple.

Either ALL the Law has been fulfilled, or ALL the Law is still legally binding.

In Christ,
Deborah
What a Spirit inspired post. Amen! to every word.
 
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We see how the name "Easter" never appears in the Greek New Testament. Easter is not a Christian name. It is Chaldean (Babylonian) in origin, a variation on the name Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven. It is to be noted that the apostolic church never gave attention to either the date of Christ's birth or the date of His resurrection, other than to note that the latter occurred on a Sunday. Neither of these days was observed by early Christians but as the pagan influence came into the church so did its festivals. In the third and fourth centuries a tremendous debate arose among Christian churches as to when Easter was to be observed. For the Roman Catholic branch it was largely settled at the Council of Nicaea (AD 325) with a formula still followed to this day, which cannot possibly be commemoration of the actual resurrection. In current practice Easter always falls on a Sunday and the Sunday chosen wanders over a period of four weeks ranging from March 22-April 25. Here is a good explanation..

“Easter occurs on different dates each year because, like the Jewish Passover, it is based upon the vernal equinox, that dramatic moment when the hours of the day-light and the hours of darkness at last draw parallel and then the light finally and triumphantly wins out. Thus Easter is always fixed as the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox. It's a cosmic, solar, and lunar event as deeply rooted in religious traditions originating from sun-god worship as one could conceivably imagine.” ~ Tom Harpur “The Pagan Christ”.

The point is that the early Christians gave no attention to commemorating the resurrection day of Christ. If they had been serious they would be observing the 17th day of the Jewish month, Nisan, which begins with the first new moon following the spring solstice. Passover among the Jews begins with the 14th day of Nisan. It would not be possible to commemorate the actual day of the month and have it always on Sunday, so the choice was made to have it on Sunday, adjusting the day of the month for convenience.

Given this information, although the resurrection of Jesus is a historical event of huge importance, we have no biblical precedent for making Easter a special day of celebration. Now the fact that Sabbath was supplanted by the church at Rome and even the anti-Judaism stirred up by Jewish revolts is well known and documented, and the claim that came out that it was from the 'resurrection', but scripture does not give any change nor was there any 'tradition' from the apostles. The truth is it was used to supplant the Sabbath, and the first day, Sunday has no basis for worship except for pagans as their festival day to the sun. Nothing of Easter was about Christ or His being risen, it was sun worship, 'the sunrise service tradition', is bowing and praying to the rising sun as you can see today. Here is even more on this:

"The author of the "Epistle of Barnabas" adduces the occurrence of the Resurrection on the first day as the reason for the observance of this "true day" (xv.). In the meantime the attitude of the Roman authorities had become intermittently hostile to the Jews; and after the rebellion under Hadrian it became a matter of vital importance for such as were not Jews to avoid exposing themselves to suspicion (Huidekoper, "Judaism at Rome"). The observance of the Sabbath was one of the most noticeable indications of Judaism. Hence, while in the first Christian century more or less regard and tolerance for the Jewish day were shown in Rome, even by non-Jewish Christians, in the second century the contrary became the rule (Justin Martyr, "Dial. cum Tryph." ii., § 28). In the East, however, less opposition was shown to Jewish institutions. Saturday and Sunday both were celebrated by "abstaining from fasting and by standing while praying" (Rheinwald, "Archäologie," § 62), In the West, especially where Roman influence dominated, Saturday was turned into a fast-day (Huidekoper, ib. pp. 343-344). The name "Sunday" is used for the first time by Justin Martyr ("Apologies," i. 67) in accommodation to a Roman nomenclature, but with reference to the circumstances that the light was created on the first day (noticed also in the Midrash; Gen. R. iii.: "ten crowns adorned the first day") and that the "light of the world" rose from the night of the grave on the first day of the week. The Christians, accordingly, were obliged to defend themselves against the charge of worshiping the sun (Tertullian, "Apologeticus," xvi.). The celebration of two days (by the Judæo-Christians?) is attested by Eusebius ("Hist. Eccl." iii. 37) and by the "Apostolic Constitutions," which advise the keeping of Saturday as a memorial of the Creation, and of Sunday, the Lord's day, in memory of the Resurrection (ii. 59).

Originally, then, Sunday and Sabbath were kept sharply distinct. But, like the Jewish Sabbath, Sunday was deemed not merely a holiday, but a holy day, and hence fasting thereon was interdicted (Tertullian, "De Corona Militis," § 3). Ease of mind (ευφροσύνη, which corresponds to "naḥat ruaḥ"; "Epistle of Barnabas," l.c.) was the proper condition for the day. One should not kneel at prayer (Irenæus, "Fragm. de Paschate"; "Apostolic Constitutions," l.c.); the standing posture, being at first a protest against mourning and ascetic rites (such as were forbidden on the Jewish Sabbath), came to be explained as suggestive of the Resurrection.".... SABBATH AND SUNDAY - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Some try to say it was changed by the disciples or their actions or the resurrection, but Sunday has nothing even after the resurrection as the disciples continued with the Sabbath as it was before and Christ tells it it would continue so you have to really bend scripture to fit Sunday as the day of worship. It isnt there.......
The word Easter is an English term that began in the 12th century. I’m surprised that you did all this study and do an etymology on the word Easter. That’s why the word Easter doesn’t appear in the New Testament because there was no Greek word for Easter. It was called Pasha or Pashal which means Passover. It had absolutely nothing to do with the sun god, every day of the week is named after a pagan god even Saturday which is named after the god of Saturn. This is just SDA propaganda.
 
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Did you actually read Paul in Romans 6?

This says it all...

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Our two choices:

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

It's one of the many reasons why Paul writings comes with a warning. 2 Peter 3:16 Paul is not teaching us to sin or taught something different than what Jesus. taught. He is teaching us that if we are in Christ, we won't be sinning and therefore not under the condemnation of the law, not that we can bypass the law and break. Thats what it means to not be under the law, not that we are free to sin and can now vain God's name, worship other gods, break His holy Sabbath day, murder, covet or break the least of these. He clearly states what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19

Paul also makes this point clear in chapter 8. Read Rom 8:4-8

You might want to read Mat 15. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping their rules over obeying the commandments of God. He calls that spiritually blind and said ones heart is far from Him, the opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written in our hearts and minds,

Can you please show me the scripture that says Jesus is our example to follow except for the laws we don't want to keep and we don't have to follow His teachings or follow His example? I think its safe to follow Jesus. He will only lead us on the narrow bath back to reconciliation. Rev 22:14
Romans 6 tells us we are not under the Law, but you keep telling anyone who reads your posts that we are under the Law. Under the Law means under Torah. Torah was written laws given only to Israel within the Sinai Covenant. Jesus ended that covenant when He gave all mankind the new and better covenant of Grace. The laws of the Old Covenant could not save one soul because man is born a sinner unable to keep from breaking those Old Covenant Laws. Only because of Jesus unmerited Grace is mankind able to know our sins are covered by His shed blood.

You tell us God's law is written in our hearts and minds. God has proclaimed many laws to man over the ages. Are you telling us that all of those laws are within us???? If not are you able to tell us which of all those laws are the ones in our hearts and minds??? It seems like you are fixed on one old covenant law of keeping a day. If that laws is written in our hearts and minds why oh why di not the millions and millions of those in the pas and those living now embrace the Sabbath of the Israelite Nation?? Why are we not born with the desire to keep a day Holy? Why hasn't all of the Arborize people or all of the Orientale people or All of the African people not be persuaded by the Holy Spirit to claim the Sabbath that is supposed to be written in the hearts and minds of all those people? SDAs shouldn't have to spend untold millions of money on trying to get people to join their folds only to see most of them leave out of the back door. We know Love is written on our hearts because Love remains in most of all mankind all of our lives. It rarely leaves out of the back door. Think about it SB. The only reason you are SDA is either you were born into an SDA family or you were persuaded by some SDA to become one.
 
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Romans 6 tells us we are not under the Law, but you keep telling anyone who reads your posts that we are under the Law. Under the Law means under Torah. Torah was written laws given only to Israel within the Sinai Covenant. Jesus ended that covenant when He gave all mankind the new and better covenant of Grace. The laws of the Old Covenant could not save one soul because man is born a sinner unable to keep from breaking those Old Covenant Laws. Only because of Jesus unmerited Grace is mankind able to know our sins are covered by His shed blood.

You tell us God's law is written in our hearts and minds. God has proclaimed many laws to man over the ages. Are you telling us that all of those laws are within us???? If not are you able to tell us which of all those laws are the ones in our hearts and minds??? It seems like you are fixed on one old covenant law of keeping a day. If that laws is written in our hearts and minds why oh why di not the millions and millions of those in the pas and those living now embrace the Sabbath of the Israelite Nation?? Why are we not born with the desire to keep a day Holy? Why hasn't all of the Arborize people or all of the Orientale people or All of the African people not be persuaded by the Holy Spirit to claim the Sabbath that is supposed to be written in the hearts and minds of all those people? SDAs shouldn't have to spend untold millions of money on trying to get people to join their folds only to see most of them leave out of the back door. We know Love is written on our hearts because Love remains in most of all mankind all of our lives. It rarely leaves out of the back door. Think about it SB. The only reason you are SDA is either you were born into an SDA family or you were persuaded by some SDA to become one.
Paul makes it clear grace is not a license to sin. Romans 6:1-2 it leads people down the wrong path Rom 6:16 the same path Jesus warned against taking Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19

When we define the laws of love written in the heart and not allow God to define it makes one their own god. God said He wrote His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 God claims the Ten Commandments are His commandments Exo 20:6. You claim, the other 9 commandments are laws of love because you say so and not because God did. Where did those laws come from? They only came from the Ten Commandments. James gave glory to God on those commandments James 2:10-12, Jesus gave glory to God on those commandment Mat 15:3-14, but you have the authority to choose 9 of them when God wrote Ten with His own finger Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and on your authority, you claim we can forget the Sabbath- when God said Remember and Jesus said it was made for us. Mark 2:27. There's even a warning about this. 2 Timothy 3:5. Jesus kept every Sabbath Luke 4:16 Mat 15:10, the apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 18:5, His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 sounds like God's people all had God's law written in their hearts. If Jesus kept the Sabbath and said it was made for me, who am I to do something different if I am a servant of Christ.


Christ's words

Jesus said: The Sabbath was made for man.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2
Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil


6,“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And
to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
Sounds like a law of love to me. Its the one commandments that deals with our relationship with Christ. No wonder its under attack so much.

I am sticking with His Words as I love His name and want to be His servant and He blesses us when we keep His holy Sabbath as it shows we are God's people Eze 20:20
 
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Paul makes it clear grace is not a license to sin. Romans 6:1-2 it leads people down the wrong path Rom 6:16

When we define the laws of love written in the heart and not allow God to define it makes one their own god. There's even a warning about this. 2 Timothy 3:5 God said He wrote His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 God claims the Ten Commandments are His commandments Exo 20:6. You claim, the other 9 commandments are laws of love because you say so and not because God did. Where did those laws come from? They only came from the Ten Commandments. James gave glory to God on those commandments James 2:10-12, Jesus gave glory to God on those commandment Mat 15:3-14, but you have the authority to choose 9 of them when God wrote Ten with His own finger Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and on your authority, you claim we can forget the Sabbath- when God said Remember and Jesus said it was made for us. Mark 2:27. Your teaching people the wrong path friend. I think you know this deep down.

Christ's words

Jesus said: The Sabbath was made for man.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil


6,“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone
who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


I am sticking with His Words as I love His name and want to be His servant and He blesses us when we keep His holy Sabbath as it shows we are God's people Eze 20:20
The ten commandments WERE like a 101 course to introduce the Israelites of their DUTY to God and to their fellow Israelites. Are you so dense that you believe that they contain all of the laws that man can commit to our fellow man? For instance there is not one word in any of the ten commandments about loving others. The greatest command is not mentioned in what you believe is the apotome to man. Abuse, hatred,
uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, drunkenness, reveling, and many more sins that man commits are not mentioned. This is what Paul claimed about the ones not mentioned in the ten of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Funny Paul didn't mention not observing the old covenant Sabbath as something that would keep man from inheriting the Kingdom of God. Ellen did though and according to her what she wrote was equal to divine scripture. "But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4} Ellen acted as the judge of man not only in this passage, but throughout her false writings.

Did you see all the question marks in my previous post? Why won't you address them?

Do you believe keeping the old Covenant Sabbath is more important than loving others as Jesus loves us? If you don't then why don't you ever write anything about Love as Jesus and the Bible writers taught? According to what you write the ritual Sabbath law is the most important one.
 
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The ten commandments WERE like a 101 course to introduce the Israelites of their DUTY to God and to their fellow Israelites. Are you so dense that you believe that they contain all of the laws that man can commit to our fellow man? For instance there is not one word in any of the ten commandments about loving others. The greatest command is not mentioned in what you believe is the apotome to man. Abuse, hatred,
uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, drunkenness, reveling, and many more sins that man commits are not mentioned. This is what Paul claimed about the ones not mentioned in the ten of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Funny Paul didn't mention not observing the old covenant Sabbath as something that would keep man from inheriting the Kingdom of God. Ellen did though and according to her what she wrote was equal to divine scripture. "But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4} Ellen acted as the judge of man not only in this passage, but throughout her false writings.

Did you see all the question marks in my previous post? Why won't you address them?

Do you believe keeping the old Covenant Sabbath is more important than loving others as Jesus loves us? If you don't then why don't you ever write anything about Love as Jesus and the Bible writers taught? According to what you write the ritual Sabbath law is the most important one.
Where does God say we don't have to keep the Sabbath commandment that Jesus kept , His faithful followers kept and the apostles all kept as our example to follow. I just see your words. Sorry, if I continue to obey God's Words. God personally wrote the Sabbath commandment , God personally spoke it and He blesses those who keep it. Isa 56:6 Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20. No wonder Jesus warned about so many people coming in His name to deceive us. Mat 24:4-5 If we stick with what Jesus taught and did as our example to follow, He will lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. It all gets sorted out soon enough, I pray we all can stand in His presence upon His soon return.
 
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Where does God say we don't have to keep the Sabbath commandment that Jesus kept

Where does it tell us we don't have to keep all the Holy days that were given to Israel by God at Sinai? That would be the same place that you don't seem to recognize.
His faithful followers kept and the apostles all kept as our example to follow. I just see your words. Sorry, if I continue to obey God's Words. God personally wrote the Sabbath commandment , God personally spoke it and He blesses those who keep it. Isa 56:6 Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20. No wonder Jesus warned about so many people coming in His name to deceive us. Mat 24:4-5 If we stick with what Jesus taught and did as our example to follow, He will lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
God personally said all of the commandments given to Israel. Weather writing them or saying them, they all came from God. If you believe you have to keep one or two of them where do you get off keeping them all? Since you will not answer any of my direct questions I won't count on you answering this one. Others will be reading these posts and wonder why you refuse to address them too.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. It all gets sorted out soon enough, I pray we all can stand in His presence upon His soon return.

According to you prophet you have to stand alone without Jesus at your side and have overcome sin. My Jesus tells me that He will be with me until the end. Wonder who is right?
 
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Where does it tell us we don't have to keep all the Holy days that were given to Israel by God at Sinai? That would be the same place that you don't seem to recognize.

God personally said all of the commandments given to Israel. Weather writing them or saying them, they all came from God. If you believe you have to keep one or two of them where do you get off keeping them all? Since you will not answer any of my direct questions I won't count on you answering this one. Others will be reading these posts and wonder why you refuse to address them too.


According to you prophet you have to stand alone without Jesus at your side and have overcome sin. My Jesus tells me that He will be with me until the end. Wonder who is right?
We are God's Israel. God's law written in the heart is still to Israel. Heb 8:10-12. Israel is just a name God gave to identify His people. It is both literally and metaphorical. We are grafted in as God's people through faith. Gal 3:26-38. God's people keep God's commandments through faith and love. 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 Love does not go undefined in scripture- it is keeping God's commandments. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 1 John 5:3 John 15:10 The Sabbath is still a commandment even in the NT Luke 23:56 - God's people keep God's commandments through faith Rev 14:12 which reconciles us Rev 22:14
 
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Thanks for the response back. I see a lot of commentary, but I am not seeing what you are writing in the scriptures, which is what we are told to go by Psa 119:105

The Sabbath is a commandment- just like thou shalt not have any other gods before Me or thou shalt not murder- God wrote the Sabbath commandment in the same unit of Ten by His own finger. No where in scripture says the Sabbath is the day of Salvation. The Sabbath is the day to keep holy Exo 20:8 and it is the seventh day Exo 20:10 according to what God personally wrote.

I think what you are quoting is from Hebrews 4 which is a direct quote from Psalms 95 and Heb 3. What this verse is about is calling us out of rebellion to God. This scripture is calling one out of the very thing you are advocating we do, that we do not have to keep God's commandments- which is called sin and rebellion to God.

This is what the writer of Hebrews is quoting in Hebrews 4:7

Psalms 95

Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,

9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’


God is pleading with us not to follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites in the wilderness. Heb 4:11.....its really not wise to think we can follow their same path of disobedience and expect a different result.

What did they disobey in the wilderness?

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.



Agreed. He rested also as an example for man as man was created in His image, Gen 1:26 to follow Him, hence why the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27 and why He commanded man the same week cycle. Work six days Exo 20:9 Gen 1and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8, Gen 2:1-3 God wants to spend holy time with man to bless Isa 56:1-7, Isa 58:13 and sanctify Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves, we need God.



Could you please quote scripture. It really help so we can be sure to see what the scriptures say, which is what we are told to test everything by.

There is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. This is a teaching of the Catholic church who changed God's Sabbath, that was predicted in scripture Dan 7:25 that most churches followed suit. One of the reasons He is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4

Jesus taught- not one jot or tittle can be changed from His holy law, because no one is above the Authority of God Mat 5:18-30

We should join the rest Jesus provides and if we allow scripture to interpret itself, it will never lead us down the wrong path.

To enter in Christ rest (this is not the Sabbath rest- its Christ's rest) one ALSO ceases their works as God did from His (the Sabbath rest). Hebrews 4:10

When did God cease from His works?

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

What is the seventh day according to God?

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.


In Christ rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments, just peace.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.



Jesus said:

John 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.

Are you familiar that it wasn't Moses who wrote or spoke God's eternal law, it was God Himself? Deut 4:13, Exo 34:28 and after God wrote the Ten Commandments, He added no more. Deut 5:22. Only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark Exo 40:10 and its the law all man will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30


The purpose of the commandments is to show us our sins and need for Jesus. Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20 James 1:22-25. So we are not depending on our own righteousness, but God's Psa 119:172, not our truth but God's Psa 119:105. Sadly most people depend on their own version of righteousness, but we are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctify us Eze 20:12. Sin separated us Isa 59:2 and sad people teach the exact thing that separated us, we don't have to keep, which is not the solution to reconciliation. That is not a teaching by Jesus. He said- If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 our faith in Him and living by His every Word reconciles us Rev 22:14

Jesus did not give Himself a commandment to keep. Jesus in His own Words said the Sabbath was made for man- not made for Him. Christ in His own Words said the Sabbath is My holy day. Isa 58:13 Why would we want to profane something that God made holy, blessed, sanctified and said He made for us?

Jesus kept all the commandments through including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 as our example to follow 1 John 2:6, but He did not give Himself a commandment. The commandments are for God's people- Rev 14:12. He is God, we are to love and serve Him. Isa 56:6

It does not say until He died at the Cross that the commandments ended and can be changed. He said heaven and earth will pass before one jot or tittle will pass from the law, until ALL is fulfilled and why He goes on to say not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as one would be least in heaven, which means lost. if you read the next verse. Mat 5:18-30.

Not all is fulfilled until Jesus comes again and His saints meet Him in the air, until then not a jot or tittle can pass from His holy law as no one is above the Authority of God.

Amen as what Hebrews says 10:1-22 and 1Cor 5:7 but after the Cross do you really believe we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet or steal or break the least of these commandments, not according to Jesus Mat 5:18-30 Math 15:3-14, Mark 7:8-13, Mat 19:17-19. Sin is breaking God's law even in the NC Romans 7:7 Mat 5:18-30 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12. Jesus did not die so we can sin freely- He came to save us from sin Mat 1:21- we need a conversion and we too must die of sin. Romans 6 which is why God's saints keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 through faith and love Rom 3:31 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 which reconciles us Rev 22:14

These are the words of Christ, we are to live by Mat 4:4

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil


6,“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


Should we not want to keep justice and do righteousness? Should we not want to join ourselves to the Lord, to love His name and serve Him? This is what Jesus in His own Words equates to Sabbath-keeping, which He blesses. Should we not want to be blessed by Him? Only God can reverse His blessing and to me its mind blowing how people think they can reverse something God blessed and wrote with His own finger.


I know what you are teaching is what the popular churches are teaching, but its really important to study the scriptures for ourselves.

This is the first answer Jesus gave when asked what the sign of His return would be.

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Those who are speaking for Christ are deceiving so many. What were Christ's own Words- read Mat 5:18-30, Mat15:3-14, Mark 7:8-13, Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Exo 20:8-11, Mark 2:28,Eze 20:20, Eze 20:12, Isa 58:13, Isa 56:1-6, Isa 66:23

Jesus says the majority will be deceived. Mat 7:13-14 Mat 7:21-23 We don't have to follow the crowd, we can be part of the remnant who keep God's commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14


I wish you well in seeking Truth to God's Word.

"But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth also his Son, having been born of a woman, having been born under the Law." (Galatians 4:4)

Obedience to the commandments of the Law was a covenant, a legally binding contract that God made only with the Jewish people. (Exodus 19:5-6) That was what “set them apart” from the nations of the world. That if they obeyed all the commandments of the Law (not some, not a few, but all), then they would be blessed. If they broke even one commandment, then they were guilty of the whole law, and they would be cursed. (Deuteronomy 28, 31:28-32:43)

The reason this covenant of law keeping was only made with the Jewish people was because the Jewish people were chosen by God. And the reason God chose Israel was not, as some seem to believe, to save Israel. The purpose for which God chose Israel was that through this people God would bring to pass His Plan of Salvation, a plan formed before the foundation of the world, a plan that would be for all people, for the Jews first, but also for the Gentiles. That was the purpose for which God chose Israel, not to be saved, but to be an instrument of God's salvation.

And the Law was given to Israel for one purpose ... to sanctify them (set them apart from the nations of the world) and to make them holy. It was not obedience to the commandments that made Jews holy. By that standard, no one is holy, because no one can or ever could obey all the commandments. If judged by the Law, everyone is a law-breaker. That was not what made Jews holy. What made Jews holy under the Old Covenant was the blood of the bulls and goats, (Leviticus 17:11) the offerings that were made for sin. That was what cleansed the people of their sins, the blood was what “purified” them, that was what made them “holy,” not their obedience to the Law.

Go back and actually look at what the blessings were for obedience to the Law. They were all material blessings: “And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.” Read Deuteronomy 28:1-14. Obedience to the commandments promised material blessings. Nowhere was “spending holy time with God” ever promised as a blessing for keeping the law, certainly nowhere did any of the Sabbath commandments make such a promise. Indeed, under the terms of the Old Covenant, the closest law-keepers could get to the presence of God was the second court that lay outside the Sanctuary. Your claim that obeying the sabbath commandment is “spending holy time with God” actually violates the Law. The only means the Law allowed of even approaching near God’s presence involved a whole host of commandments; becoming a participant in the Old Covenant, traveling to Jerusalem, climbing the Temple Mount, passing through the barrier that only the Old Covenant people could enter and then only after having been property immersed in a ritual bath, entering one of the gates, crossing the Court of Prayer, climbing the flight of steps and entering the Beautiful Gate, crossing the Court of Israel, crossing the Court of the Priests, climbing the flight of steps up to the Porch of the Sanctuary, entering the Sanctuary, crossing the Holy Place, climbing more steps, opening the Veil of Separation, and stepping into the Holy of Holies, the only place on earth where the presence of God dwelt under the terms of the Old Covenant. And then, after violating all the commandments against the places you were forbidden to set foot in, you would be struck dead for daring to step beyond that veil and enter the Presence of God! So please, don’t speak about “spending holy time in God’s presence” by “observing the commandments of the Law,” because to even approach God’s presence by observing the commandments of the law was a death sentence.

So here’s the problem with the Law, and why a new covenant was necessary.

The blood of bulls and goats could only cleanse the flesh. (Hebrews 9:13) The blood of the sacrifices commanded under the law, rivers of blood offered up through the centuries, could not cleanse the heart, and the heart is where sin comes from. (Matthew 15:19) But the Law was never intended to cleanse a man's heart of the sinful nature that we are all born with. The law was only intended to cleanse the flesh. And there was a reason for that. And that reason is both simple, and self-evident.

Because God’s Plan of Salvation meant that He would send a savior who would be born of Israel “according to the flesh.” (Romans 9:5) In the flesh, that is in his physical substance, Jesus is a physical descendant of Abraham, through the royal line of David, born of a young maiden of the Jewish people. So it was important that the Son of God be born according to the flesh of a people who were clean according to the flesh. So the Law only provided cleansing of sin “according to the flesh," so that Jesus would be born of a "clean vessel." While the Law could cleanse the flesh of sin and every manner of defilement, it could not and was never intended to cleanse the heart, where sin originates. That required another covenant, not something added to the Old to make it better, not something to replace part of the old and leave the rest intact, but a whole new and separate covenant, one that brought to pass all the promises of the Old.

"Woman, believe me, the hour has come, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. You don't know who you worship. We know who we worship, for salvation came forth from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him." (John 4:23)

In Christ,
Deborah
 
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The post was too long so had to post in two separate posts.

Part 1

"But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth also his Son, having been born of a woman, having been born under the Law." (Galatians 4:4)
First I want to thank you for using scripture. It allows us to go through these scriptures and break down what is really being said.

I already agreed Jesus was born under the law- He could not be our Savior or example to follow if He was not born "under the law" Just like we are born under "the law" and if in Christ -we would not worship other gods. vain His holy name, break His holy Sabbath day, covet or break the least of these. Jesus taught not to break the least of these Mat 5:19-30, so why do people think they can, who proclaim to be Christ followers is always surprising to me.
Obedience to the commandments of the Law was a covenant, a legally binding contract that God made only with the Jewish people. (Exodus 19:5-6) That was what “set them apart” from the nations of the world. That if they obeyed all the commandments of the Law (not some, not a few, but all), then they would be blessed. If they broke even one commandment, then they were guilty of the whole law, and they would be cursed. (Deuteronomy 28, 31:28-32:43)
There are two different agreements/covenants. The Ten Commandments is a separate covenant where God alone wrote and spoke the Ten Commandment and after He wrote and spoke them no more was added. Only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark of the covenant Exo 40:20 under His mercy seat and the earthy temple always pointed to the Heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 where the ark of the covenant is Rev 11:19 as it is what all man will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14. Can't have a fair judgement if there is no law to judge by. God didn't leave it up to man to write His holy and righteous law- He did alone.


Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.


The law of Moses handwritten by Moses was a separate covenant- placed outside the ark of the Covenant, in a book on paper. Deut 31:26 and yes they were cursed for breaking what was inside the ark- the Ten Commandments
The reason this covenant of law keeping was only made with the Jewish people was because the Jewish people were chosen by God.
Agreed. God hasn't changed - His covenant is still with Israel Heb 8:10 which is just a name God gave to identify His people. It's no longer "literal" Israel, but spiritual Israel. Romans 9:6-7 grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28 the way it always has been even in the OT- as shown in the story of Ruth- Your people are my people; your God is my God. It has always been through faith. What do God's faithful people do throughout scripture- read Rev 14:12
And the reason God chose Israel was not, as some seem to believe, to save Israel. The purpose for which God chose Israel was that through this people God would bring to pass His Plan of Salvation, a plan formed before the foundation of the world, a plan that would be for all people, for the Jews first, but also for the Gentiles. That was the purpose for which God chose Israel, not to be saved, but to be an instrument of God's salvation.

And the Law was given to Israel for one purpose ... to sanctify them (set them apart from the nations of the world) and to make them holy. It was not obedience to the commandments that made Jews holy. By that standard, no one is holy, because no one can or ever could obey all the commandments. If judged by the Law, everyone is a law-breaker. That was not what made Jews holy. What made Jews holy under the
Only Christ can make one holy and God's law is a reflection of God's character- which is holy Rom 7:12, righteous Psa 119:172 perfect Psa 19:7 and truth Psa 119:105. So best not to kid ourselves that we can profane God's law and that is doing righteous.

John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

1 Peter 1:15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
Old Covenant was the blood of the bulls and goats, (Leviticus 17:11) the offerings that were made for sin. That was what cleansed the people of their sins, the blood was what “purified” them, that was what made them “holy,” not their obedience to the Law.
Yes, you touched on something very important. The law that defines sin when broken cannot be the same law that was added because of sin. So obviously we are dealing with two different laws.

The Ten Commandments is the law that defines sin, God perfect, holy and righteous law that He personally wrote and spoke Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” only found in the Ten Commandments
Breaking one is like breaking them all- James said only contrasting and quoting again from the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12

Animal sacrifices were added because the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 the Ten Commandments. Rom 7:7 In the NC instead of bringing an animal sacrifice for sin, Jesus took the penalty of sin and became our Sacrificial Lamb 1 Cor 5:7 and made an end to animal sacrifice Heb 10:1-22 but not an end to what sin is (breaking God's law) and if we continue in sin there remains no more sacrifice Heb 10:26-30. but it we confess and forsake Pro 28:13 we can receive mercy, grace and His sanctification.

No wonder Jesus taught and lived by the Ten Commandments warning us not to break or teach others to break the least of these as it is sin and one would be in fear of Judgement Mat 5:19-30
Go back and actually look at what the blessings were for obedience to the Law. They were all material blessings: “And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.” Read Deuteronomy 28:1-14. Obedience to the commandments promised material blessings.
Wow- do you really believe the blessing Jesus gives for our obedience as "just material only" and not understand how it is honoring God. Yes, he blesses those who obey Him but it’s more spiritual blessings than anything. While God promises our needs will be taken care its the spiritual blessings that mean more than anything. Seriously who wants to be cursed by God. Seems like a weird thing to use as an argument against obeying God.
Nowhere was “spending holy time with God” ever promised as a blessing for keeping the law, certainly nowhere did any of the Sabbath commandments make such a promise.
Many who do not keep the Sabbath commandment sadly misunderstand the blessing it is to spend time with God on His holy day- putting aside all worldly things and just focusing on Him for a full day on the day He set aside blessed, sanctified and made holy to bless Isa 56:1-7 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 made for man Mark 2:27 because man can't sanctify themselves, we need God

Another thus saith the Lord on His Sabbath that Jesus told us to live by Mat 4:4

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord
honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”


When broken this is what God says happens.

Eze 22: 26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
 
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