Anyone notice that many people are scientifically illiterate

sfs said:

Sorry, I'm talking about the real history of the Bible, not the imaginary one promulgated by fundamentalists.

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Did you even look it up? It’s a commandment of God given in Deuteronomy. Google Mitzvah, why would you dismiss it without even checking the validity of it?

sfs said:

Uh, Moses didn't write Genesis.

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Who wrote Genesis?

sfs said:

You really should spend some time learning more about the Bible

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Says the person who is too lazy to look up the word Mitzvah and doesn’t know who wrote Genesis.

BNR32FAN said:

No I do not believe preachers are chosen by God. I think people choose to become preachers.

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So Paul was mistaken about God appointing teachers in the church?

BNR32FAN said:

The source is not their imagination, the source is God giving them a revelation.

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That's your answer. You aren't in a position to tell me what I meant by what I wrote.

Aaron112 said:

Same reason perhaps, or similarly, why people chose (or did they choose?) to dismiss Torah (at the peril of losing their own souls) without even knowing YHVH'S Purpose and Plan ?

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He says maybe Genesis was edited after it was written and I pointed out that it’s pretty hard to edit something that every Jew has to write a copy of according to the Mitzvah without anyone noticing the changes.

sfs said:

So Paul was mistaken about God appointing teachers in the church?

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Your line of reasoning is so obscure, yes Jesus went around and hand picked His apostles and also chose Paul on the road to Damascus that doesn’t mean that every person that decides to start preaching was chosen by God.

sfs said:

That's your answer. You aren't in a position to tell me what I meant by what I wrote.

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My answer was my reply to your post. I’m not telling you what you wrote I’m making my own statement in reply to what you wrote.

BNR32FAN said:

Says the person who is too lazy to look up the word Mitzvah and doesn’t know who wrote Genesis.

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Okay, I did laugh out loud at that one. Both parts, in fact -- that I don't already know what 'mitzvah' means and that I haven't read extensively on the authorship of the Pentateuch. Have you read anything at all about the Bible that wasn't written by a fundamentalist? It's clear that you and I share very little in our ideas about how to study the Bible.

BNR32FAN said:

Your line of reasoning is so obscure, yes Jesus went around and hand picked His apostles and also chose Paul on the road to Damascus that doesn’t mean that every person that decides to start preaching was chosen by God.

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Paul wrote that God appointed teachers in the church (Romans 12:7, I Cor 12:28). If you agree with him, do you think those preachers and other teachers who were appointed by God (never mind any others) never make any mistakes in what they preach and teach?

sfs said:

Okay, I did laugh out loud at that one. Both parts, in fact -- that I don't already know what 'mitzvah' means and that I haven't read extensively on the authorship of the Pentateuch. Have you read anything at all about the Bible that wasn't written by a fundamentalist? It's clear that you and I share very little in our ideas about how to study the Bible.

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I don’t read commentaries my theology is the result of my own studies. If your aware of the Mitzvah how could you possibly think that it Genesis could be edited without anyone knowing?

Aaron112 said:

As you noted accurately before. Most (many ) teachers according to Jesus are false teachers. Not only not chosen by God, also not obedient to Him and not loving the Truth.

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Thank you

sfs said:

Paul wrote that God appointed teachers in the church (Romans 12:7, I Cor 12:28). If you agree with him, do you think those preachers and other teachers who were appointed by God (never mind any others) never make any mistakes in what they preach and teach?

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Paul also wrote this

”For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.“
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

And this

”For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.“
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭11‬:‭13‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

And this

”If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.“
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

And this

”I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!“
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1‬:‭6‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now according to all this did Paul actually teach that all preachers are chosen by God?

Aaron112 said:

The ones chosen and appointed by God were inspired by God as God Says Directly, not motivated by man's initiative or reasonings.

However, since there are mistakes others have mentioned, few or many, in your posts, who did you learn the mistakes from ?

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it’s the typical scientists can’t be wrong so the Bible must be wrong argument.

BNR32FAN said:

If you know anything about the Bible then you know there are no other gods.

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If you know anything about the Bhagavata Purana then you'll know that there are many.

BNR32FAN said:

it’s the typical scientists can’t be wrong so the Bible must be wrong argument.

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Do you understand the verb 'to interpret?' (we might discuss words like allegorical, literal and metaphor later).

BNR32FAN said:

Speculation and accusation are two different things. If I suspect someone is teaching falsely I would ask them before accusing them.

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Well, I beg your pardon; I was not thinking that you would take it as an accusation.

BNR32FAN said:

it’s the typical scientists can’t be wrong so the Bible must be wrong argument.

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Could be both. Not the Bible being wrong of course, but you being wrong about the Bible.

BCP1928 said:

Could be both. Not the Bible being wrong of course, but you being wrong about the Bible.

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That post was in reference to this one where the person claims that Genesis 1 & 2 were the result of Moses making mistakes in the scriptures.

sfs said:

The first part entails the same issue as above, while the second part is something that you invented and that I really doubt you believe. You do believe that preachers are chosen by God to deliver his message, right? And do you also believe that every preacher delivers God's message without any errors, every time?

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sfs said:

Okay, I did laugh out loud at that one. Both parts, in fact -- that I don't already know what 'mitzvah' means and that I haven't read extensively on the authorship of the Pentateuch. Have you read anything at all about the Bible that wasn't written by a fundamentalist? It's clear that you and I share very little in our ideas about how to study the Bible.

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As a general thing, fundamentalists are
at the lowest, Jews at the highest education
level.

BNR32FAN said:

Who wrote Genesis?

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That's a good question. How many years was the story passed down until it was put in written form? I hope we all know that the language 8k years ago isn't today's language.

Laodicean60 said:

That's a good question. How many years was the story passed down until it was put in written form? I hope we all know that the language 8k years ago isn't today's language.

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Who could’ve possibly handed down a story of what took place before the first man was created?