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None of the scriptures from Yahova were given to us in book form
I am aware that the Bible we receive from the Hebrew people is both the written and the oral tradition. According to Wiki: "In a general sense, "oral tradition" refers to the recall and transmission of a specific, preserved textual and cultural knowledge through vocal utterance. As an academic discipline, it refers both to a set of objects of study and the method by which they are studied.

We need to be careful not to confuse commentaries with the oral transmission that goes back to Moses and even Abraham. Some people say all the way back to Adam.
 
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A. Nobody, including you and me need to ever believe my doctrine
Dang, we're in agreement there!
and learn to grow food using Square Foot Gardening, they are free to starve their way through the Tribulation Years.
Yeah, consider me duly warned about the terrible ramifications of not believing your rubbish. QSL
But that is my doctrine
And you're welcome to it.
The doctrine I teach is not my own but is the Word of my Heavenly Father
And so said every heresiarch who ever lived.
B. Nope, Yah's Word has never leaned upon science.
Science is the study of God's creation. God never told us how to make computers, did He?
C. I had prayed you would seek the indwelling of Ruah
I'm duly impressed by the use of what I presume to be a Hebrew word. Unfortunately, I'm restricted to the use of mundane languages like English, bad Korean, worse Chinese, passable Spanish, and Danish pleasantries, none of which make me sound particularly spiritual But thanks for the prayers, if any.
, the Holy Spirit, the source of understanding.
Yeah, I have heard passing references to the Holy Spirit over the years,usually used in the context of establishing one's Spiritual Superiority.
D. I'm sorry, I never considered you might not know how to expand a deep search.
If I knew what it was supposed to mean, I might surprise us both by discovering I'd been doing it from my distant youth.
 
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I have repeated myself many, many times. There is NO conflict between true science and a true understanding of the Bible. If you think there is then you either do not understand science or you do not understand the Bible.
Agreed.
Because both come from God and to deny that is, as you say blasphemy, because you are denying God.
I'm cautious about accusaions of blasphemy, since they're too easy to make. I generally attribute what sound like blasphemies to simple ignorance mixed with a dollop of hubris.
We are not here to tear people down and accuse them. We are here to build them up and encourage them.
But that's not nearly as likely to demonstrate what spiritual giants we are.
 
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Your theology is continually presented as stand-alone, manmade/trash theology. I am not here to tear any person but rather see lies that are in opposition to Scrripture and/or find no root in the Word of our God are flushed away by the truth.
 
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I'm cautious about accusaions of blasphemy,
They accuse themselves, I would never ever accuse anyone of that. God would never reveal that to me about someone. They only have the ability to tell on themselves. To the pure all is pure. They simply do not see the filth and defilement in others. People talk about stuff and I have no idea of what they are talking about because I have none of it in me. We have been washed and cleansed in the Blood of Jesus. So we are pure and undefiled before God. Ready to serve Him and do His will in our lives. I would not even be alive if He did not rescue, save, heal, deliver and revive me.

Titus 1:15

To the pure, everything is pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; in fact, both their mind and conscience are defiled.
 
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Your theology is continually presented as stand-alone, manmade/trash theology.
By whom? You? <ROFL>

But be assured, I esteem your opinions as being worth every penny of the price charged. :oldthumbsup:
I am not here to tear any person but rather see lies that are in opposition to Scrripture and/or find no root in the Word of our God are flushed away by the truth.
When do you plan to start?
 
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Your issue arises because of uninvestigated and unsupported man-made ideas.
Yours, I presume.

You're one of those folks who believe in an ignorant clergy, are you not? Those who hold that having ever read anything other than the Bible hinders the Holy Spirit, right?
 
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According to the leading expert Neil Degrasse Tyson: we do not make computers, computers made us. Or they say they find computer code ingrained into the universe.
https://www.tiktok.com/video/7176849713617095982
Tyson is a terrific teacher - of astronomy. When he wanders out of his specialty he quickly runs off the edge of his knowledge. Love the guy, I wish he was a Christian.
 
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They accuse themselves, I would never ever accuse anyone of that. God would never reveal that to me about someone. They only have the ability to tell on themselves. To the pure all is pure. They simply do not see the filth and defilement in others. People talk about stuff and I have no idea of what they are talking about because I have none of it in me. We have been washed and cleansed in the Blood of Jesus. So we are pure and undefiled before God. Ready to serve Him and do His will in our lives. I would not even be alive if He did not rescue, save, heal, deliver and revive me.

Titus 1:15

To the pure, everything is pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; in fact, both their mind and conscience are defiled.
This discussion is going in a perilous direction, a movement that is not honorable to the owner of the Jewish and Christian Bond Servants. Yahova.

In John 14,15 Yahshua says;
If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
In the beginning of John, we learn that Jesus, Yashua ha'Mashiah, is the Creator God of everything.

Our ears should tingle at the knowledge that our Creator God finds obediance and love to have equal footing in His quest to find love. (Food for thought.)
 
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Yours, I presume.

You're one of those folks who believe in an ignorant clergy, are you not? Those who hold that having ever read anything other than the Bible hinders the Holy Spirit, right?
That is a very ill-informed and thoughtless idea. Except for a few construction incidents, at 79 I would teach my class every Lord's Day because it is fulfilling to watch the lights behind the eyes of 60 to 100-year-olds, suddenly burn with vigor.
 
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That is a very ill-informed and thoughtless idea. Except for a few construction incidents, at 79 I would teach my class every Lord's Day because it is fulfilling to watch the lights behind the eyes of 60 to 100-year-olds, suddenly burn with vigor.
I notice you very deliberately avoided adressing the question at all. No surprise, really.
 
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This discussion is going in a perilous direction, a movement that is not honorable to the owner of the Jewish and Christian Bond Servants. Yahova.
Is that translatable to English?
Our ears should tingle at the knowledge that our Creator God finds obediance and love to have equal footing in His quest to find love. (Food for thought.)
Uh, yeah, that's really, profound, I think.
 
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Genesis 1-11 is written in a genre of literature that is not found anywhere else in the Bible. It is a very different genre of literature than the Genesis 12-50 is written in, but it is the same genre of literature as the ancients used in their epic tales, sagas, myths, and legends.

Scholars of the Hebrew text of Genesis and the ancient translations of it into Greek and Latin agree that the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ expresses the concept of a solid structure, and that in the Old Testament it conveys the idea of a solid dome. Scholars of the history of the translation of the English Bible agree that the word firmament comes from the Latin word firmamentum in the Latin vulgate, which expresses the concept of the sky as a strong supporting structure.

In the Septuagint, Genesis 1:6-8 reads,

Gen. 1:6. Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
7. καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
8. καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

The Greek word στερέωμα is used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ, and expresses the concept of “the sky as a supporting structure, the firmament.” (BDAG, the italics are theirs). This Greek word is also found in Paul’s writings to express the concept of a “state or condition of firm commitment, firmness, steadfastness” (BDAG, the italics are theirs),

Col. 2.5. εἰ γὰρ καὶ τῇ σαρκὶ ἄπειμι, ἀλλὰ τῷ πνεύματι σὺν ὑμῖν εἰμι, χαίρων καὶ βλέπων ὑμῶν τὴν τάξιν καὶ τὸ στερέωμα τῆς εἰς Χριστὸν πίστεως ὑμῶν. (NA28)

Col. 2.5. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, and I rejoice to see your morale and the firmness of your faith in Christ. (NRSV)

The Greek word στερέωμα is also found in a number of other ancient Greek writings where it always expresses the concepts of something solid, strength, firmness or steadfastness.
Now I'm not well read on Greek and Hebrew but I'm curious what you think about this quote from this article:

The word “firmamentum” in Latin originally meant “sky.” Yes, as a verb it also meant “to support” or “to uphold,” and sometimes even that verb meaning was used as a noun to mean “a support,” but here’s the thing. Words only ever mean one thing at a time, depending on how they are used (usage) and the context they appear in (context). When English speakers of old referred to that thing above us with the term “firmament,” they were using one definition of it at a time, the single one they were using according to what they meant by what they said (intent of the author) and according to what everyone else at the time understood it to mean (context and usage). So, as a noun, “firmamentum” meant “sky.” “Sky” is the English translation of the Latin “firmamentum,” whereas “firmament” is the English transliteration of the Latin firmamentum

 
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Now I'm not well read on Greek and Hebrew but I'm curious what you think about this quote from this article:

The word “firmamentum” in Latin originally meant “sky.” Yes, as a verb it also meant “to support” or “to uphold,” and sometimes even that verb meaning was used as a noun to mean “a support,” but here’s the thing. Words only ever mean one thing at a time, depending on how they are used (usage) and the context they appear in (context). When English speakers of old referred to that thing above us with the term “firmament,” they were using one definition of it at a time, the single one they were using according to what they meant by what they said (intent of the author) and according to what everyone else at the time understood it to mean (context and usage). So, as a noun, “firmamentum” meant “sky.” “Sky” is the English translation of the Latin “firmamentum,” whereas “firmament” is the English transliteration of the Latin firmamentum

The Latin word “firmamentum” expresses the concept of the sky as a strong supporting structure and is used in Genesis 1:6 and elsewhere to translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ that expresses the concept of the solid dome over the flat earth. On page 21 of his commentary on Genesis, the late John Skinner, Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge, writes,

6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11, 8:2, 2 Ki 7:2, 19) opened and shut by God at His pleasure (Ps 78:23).​

However, hundreds of years earlier, the first five books of the Tanakh were translated into Greek giving us the first part of the Septuagint. In the Septuagint, Genesis 1:6-8 reads,

Gen. 1:6. Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
7. καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
8. καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

The Greek word στερέωμα is used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ, and expresses the concept of “the sky as a supporting structure, the firmament.” (BDAG, the italics are theirs). This Greek word is also found in Paul’s writings to express the concept of a “state or condition of firm commitment, firmness, steadfastness” (BDAG, the italics are theirs),

Col. 2.5. εἰ γὰρ καὶ τῇ σαρκὶ ἄπειμι, ἀλλὰ τῷ πνεύματι σὺν ὑμῖν εἰμι, χαίρων καὶ βλέπων ὑμῶν τὴν τάξιν καὶ τὸ στερέωμα τῆς εἰς Χριστὸν πίστεως ὑμῶν. (NA28)

Col. 2.5. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, and I rejoice to see your morale and the firmness of your faith in Christ. (NRSV)

The Greek word στερέωμα is also found in a number of other ancient Greek writings where it always expresses the concepts of something solid, strength, firmness or steadfastness. Indeed, all hands (even the folks at Answers in Genesis!) freely admit that this Greek word expresses in Genesis the concept of a ‘solid, supporting structure.’

The Septuagint was the Bible of the Early Church until it was superseded by the Latin Vulgate. Therefore, arguing that the word firmamentum in the Latin Vulgate is misunderstood by people who believe that the earth is old is an attempt to deceive people who honestly desire to learn the truth. And, of course, what really matters is the choice of words used by the writers who penned the Tanakh—they used the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ that expresses the concept of the solid dome over the flat earth. For an excellent study of the first eleven chapters of Genesis as they were given to us in the Hebrew language, please see the following:

Westermann, Clause. Genesis 1 - 11, German orig. 1972 (English translation by John J. Scullion, 1984 in the Continental Commentaries series, 636 pages).
 
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Now I'm not well read on Greek and Hebrew but I'm curious what you think about this quote from this article:

The word “firmamentum” in Latin originally meant “sky.” Yes, as a verb it also meant “to support” or “to uphold,” and sometimes even that verb meaning was used as a noun to mean “a support,” but here’s the thing. Words only ever mean one thing at a time, depending on how they are used (usage) and the context they appear in (context). When English speakers of old referred to that thing above us with the term “firmament,” they were using one definition of it at a time, the single one they were using according to what they meant by what they said (intent of the author) and according to what everyone else at the time understood it to mean (context and usage). So, as a noun, “firmamentum” meant “sky.” “Sky” is the English translation of the Latin “firmamentum,” whereas “firmament” is the English transliteration of the Latin firmamentum

PrincetonGuy went to the original text, that he might be perfectly clear and making it clear you are not a Linguist, you come back with a translation that is, almost guaranteed, imperfect?
 
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PrincetonGuy went to the original text, that he might be perfectly clear and making it clear you are not a Linguist, you come back with a translation that is, almost guaranteed, imperfect?
I don't think anyone had to make it clear I'm not a linguist, as I already made it clear I don't know much about Greek or Hebrew. I'm simply asking questions and wanting to know what he thinks about this blog post. But instead of addressing the question, he told me that even Answers in Genesis agree with him on this point. But I'm not pointing out an article from them, I'm pointing out a blog post from the cultish show.
 
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I don't think anyone had to make it clear I'm not a linguist, as I already made it clear I don't know much about Greek or Hebrew. I'm simply asking questions and wanting to know what he thinks about this blog post. But instead of addressing the question, he told me that even Answers in Genesis agree with him on this point. But I'm not pointing out an article from them, I'm pointing out a blog post from the cultish show.
This is what I think about the blog post regarding which you asked me for my opinion:

“The Latin word “firmamentum” expresses the concept of the sky as a strong supporting structure and is used in Genesis 1:6 and elsewhere to translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ that expresses the concept of the solid dome over the flat earth. On page 21 of his commentary on Genesis, the late John Skinner, Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge, writes,

6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11, 8:2, 2 Ki 7:2, 19) opened and shut by God at His pleasure (Ps 78:23).​


However, hundreds of years earlier, the first five books of the Tanakh were translated into Greek giving us the first part of the Septuagint. In the Septuagint, Genesis 1:6-8 reads,

Gen. 1:6. Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
7. καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
8. καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

The Greek word στερέωμα is used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ, and expresses the concept of “the sky as a supporting structure, the firmament.” (BDAG, the italics are theirs). This Greek word is also found in Paul’s writings to express the concept of a “state or condition of firm commitment, firmness, steadfastness” (BDAG, the italics are theirs),

Col. 2.5. εἰ γὰρ καὶ τῇ σαρκὶ ἄπειμι, ἀλλὰ τῷ πνεύματι σὺν ὑμῖν εἰμι, χαίρων καὶ βλέπων ὑμῶν τὴν τάξιν καὶ τὸ στερέωμα τῆς εἰς Χριστὸν πίστεως ὑμῶν. (NA28)

Col. 2.5. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, and I rejoice to see your morale and the firmness of your faith in Christ. (NRSV)

The Greek word στερέωμα is also found in a number of other ancient Greek writings where it always expresses the concepts of something solid, strength, firmness or steadfastness. Indeed, all hands (even the folks at Answers in Genesis!) freely admit that this Greek word expresses in Genesis the concept of a ‘solid, supporting structure.’

The Septuagint was the Bible of the Early Church until it was superseded by the Latin Vulgate. Therefore, arguing that the word firmamentum in the Latin Vulgate is misunderstood by people who believe that the earth is old is an attempt to deceive people who honestly desire to learn the truth. And, of course, what really matters is the choice of words used by the writers who penned the Tanakh—they used the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ that expresses the concept of the solid dome over the flat earth. For an excellent study of the first eleven chapters of Genesis as they were given to us in the Hebrew language, please see the following:

Westermann, Clause. Genesis 1 - 11, German orig. 1972 (English translation by John J. Scullion, 1984 in the Continental Commentaries series, 636 pages).”


I could have simply said that the blog post is fictitious gibberish, but I gave you a more detailed answer along with documentation that supports the fact that the blog post is fictitious gibberish!
 
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