How Old Is The Earth

Platte · Apr 13, 2024

Diamond7 said:
Dispensationalism where a day is 1,000 years explains this the best.

Explain to me what the point of a day is equal to 1000 years.

Diamond7 · Apr 13, 2024

Platte said:
Explain to me what the point of a day is equal to 1000 years.

Lets talk about what we agree on, the last 6,000 years. We are told that there were two days or two thousand years of no law. Then we have 2000 years under Abraham, then we have two thousand years of the church age or the age of grace. Next we have the day of rest or the 1,000 years reign of christ.

The POINT about everything in life is comparison. WE start off with light and darkness, day and night, the sky about with the birds, the water below with the fish. We have male and female and they are to be united and become one in christ. We have Father, Son & Holy Spirit. WE have man and women and God has to be a part of that or the relationship will fail.

A day can represent a literal 24 hour day. Also a day represents a age or an era. When people talk about "the end of the world". They are talking about the end of the day or the end of the age or era, so a new day can begin, new age or era. So we have lawlessness, then law and then grace and then a day of rest from our works.

It is actually on the fourth day that God establishes all of this:

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. (Genesis 1)

Notice we have day and night, we have days and years. They compliment each other. What really gets me to take NOTICE for the first time is we have "two great lights" one for the day and one for the night. The greater and lesser. This is where I start to wonder what sort of a comparison is this. The moon does not even produce it's own light, it is a planet not a sun. It just reflects the light from the sun. But we are to reflect the light of God. We do not have our own light.

It is all about comparison if we understand a day then we can understand an age or an era and how one ends so another can begin.

Notice two days before Abraham, then we have one day from Abraham to David and one day from David until Jesus. Then the church age is two days and we enter into the sabbath or the 1,000 year reign of Christ. In Genesis 22:4 "On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance." Abraham did not have to sacrifice his son on the alter because God would provide. When his son asked where is the sacrifice he had no idea that Abraham was planning to sacrifice him. Instead "Abraham answered, “God Himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” Genesis 22 8.

Again day one was from Abraham to David, day two was from David to Jesus then Jesus was sacrificed on the third day. We are told many times "“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest". People lived to be 1,000 years old back then according to the Bible. Adam lived to be 930 years and they say he gave the remaining 70 years to David.

In the Book of Genesis, the creation account describes six days of creation, each marked by “evening” and “morning.” These days are associated with specific creative acts, such as the formation of light, land, plants, animals, and humans 1.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

Diamond7 · Apr 13, 2024

trophy33 said:
Nope.

You do like to argue with people. I guess it is easier then dealing with your own inner struggles.

Platte · Apr 13, 2024

Diamond7 said:
Lets talk about what we agree on, the last 6,000 years. We are told that there were two days or two thousand years of no law. Then we have 2000 years under Abraham, then we have two thousand years of the church age or the age of grace. Next we have the day of rest or the 1,000 years reign of christ.

The POINT about everything in life is comparison. WE start off with light and darkness, day and night, the sky about with the birds, the water below with the fish. We have male and female and they are to be united and become one in christ. We have Father, Son & Holy Spirit. WE have man and women and God has to be a part of that or the relationship will fail.

A day can represent a literal 24 hour day. Also a day represents a age or an era. When people talk about "the end of the world". They are talking about the end of the day or the end of the age or era, so a new day can begin, new age or era. So we have lawlessness, then law and then grace and then a day of rest from our works.

It is actually on the fourth day that God establishes all of this:

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. (Genesis 1)

Notice we have day and night, we have days and years. They compliment each other. What really gets me to take NOTICE for the first time is we have "two great lights" one for the day and one for the night. The greater and lesser. This is where I start to wonder what sort of a comparison is this. The moon does not even produce it's own light, it is a planet not a sun. It just reflects the light from the sun. But we are to reflect the light of God. We do not have our own light.

It is all about comparison if we understand a day then we can understand an age or an era and how one ends so another can begin.

Notice two days before Abraham, then we have one day from Abraham to David and one day from David until Jesus. Then the church age is two days and we enter into the sabbath or the 1,000 year reign of Christ. In Genesis 22:4 "On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance." Abraham did not have to sacrifice his son on the alter because God would provide. When his son asked where is the sacrifice he had no idea that Abraham was planning to sacrifice him. Instead "Abraham answered, “God Himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” Genesis 22 8.

Again day one was from Abraham to David, day two was from David to Jesus then Jesus was sacrificed on the third day. We are told many times "“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest". People lived to be 1,000 years old back then according to the Bible. Adam lived to be 930 years and they say he gave the remaining 70 years to David.

In the Book of Genesis, the creation account describes six days of creation, each marked by “evening” and “morning.” These days are associated with specific creative acts, such as the formation of light, land, plants, animals, and humans 1.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

I read what you wrote several times. Not really sure what you’re getting at with the comparisons but ok.

Since creation days were 24 hour periods I’m not sure how 1000 years relates to creation.

Diamond7 · Apr 13, 2024

Platte said:
Not really sure what you’re getting at with the comparisons but ok

The best selling book: Paradigms talks about that. I do not know if I would go as far as calling Hillary a Jezebel. But you do eventually get there if you go that far with it.

KevinT · Apr 13, 2024

Hey all, late joining in. Would anyone think it was possible for there to have been more people living on the earth at the time that Adam and Even sinned? And that only they were kicked out of the garden?

Diamond7 · Apr 13, 2024

KevinT said:
Hey all, late joining in. Would anyone think it was possible for there to have been more people living on the earth at the time that Adam and Even sinned? And that only they were kicked out of the garden?

The people back then were hunter gathers. Adam was the first civilized human. Science has put a lot of study into the transition and how civilization spread from the middle east to Europe.

Platte · Apr 14, 2024

KevinT said:
Hey all, late joining in. Would anyone think it was possible for there to have been more people living on the earth at the time that Adam and Even sinned? And that only they were kicked out of the garden?

The Bible does not say so we do not know. I would be inclined to say no but there are several things that lead me to think yes 1) Adam & Eve were told to have kids so you’d think they’d get right to it 2) Eve was punished with increase in child bearing. Would only make sense if she had given birth prior without much pain 3) Cain killed a
Abel and went to another town where there were people.

I’d still be inclined to say no but it’s just a guess which is all anyone can give you.

Diamond7 · Apr 14, 2024

KevinT said:
And that only they were kicked out of the garden?

They were the only ones in the garden. Cain did not want to leave because he was afraid someone would kill him. They still had to have food from somewhere. We know about biodiverse eco systems today and how all life is a part of one.

Platte said:
The Bible does not say so we do not know.

Do you think God only talks to us through the Bible? Isn't that putting God in a box? Let me guess. You think the man on the sixth day is the same one we see in the Garden of Eden and not a descendant.

Platte · Apr 15, 2024

Diamond7 said:
They were the only ones in the garden. Cain did not want to leave because he was afraid someone would kill him. They still had to have food from somewhere. We know about biodiverse eco systems today and how all life is a part of one.

Do you think God only talks to us through the Bible? Isn't that putting God in a box? Let me guess. You think the man on the sixth day is the same one we see in the Garden of Eden and not a descendant.

Yes the man on the sixth day was Adam and the one in the Garden of Eden was Adam. The same man.

Diamond7 · Apr 15, 2024

Platte said:
Yes the man on the sixth day was Adam and the one in the Garden of Eden was Adam. The same man.

You entitled to your opinion. I go along with science on the DNA of the Hebrew people. If Eve came from Adam then that would be the same as him having a baby with his mother.

Platte · Apr 15, 2024

Diamond7 said:
You entitled to your opinion. I go along with science on the DNA of the Hebrew people. If Eve came from Adam then that would be the same as him having a baby with his mother.

Silly

Diamond7 · Apr 15, 2024

Platte said:
Silly

The question is, HOW did the female come from the male and why does she have to carry the baby?

Men get their mitochondrial from their mother. So IF Eve came from Adam then she would have the Mitochondrial from Adams mother. God formed man from the dust in the same way He formed every beast. Theistic Evolution shows us HOW God made man and all the domestic animals that go with man for food and companionship. YEC people offer no explanation for HOW God did what HE did. The 24 hour day people think He did it in a day instead of over a long period of time as OEC and TE believe.

Just how Eve came from Adam maybe a lot more complicated than we realize. YEC people pretty much believe we do not know how God did what He did. TE believe we understand the process a little but we have a long way to go to having a better understanding. The question is, HOW did the female come from the male and why does she have to carry the baby?

Genesis 2:7
HEB: וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים
NAS: Then the LORD God formed man of dust
KJV: God formed man
INT: formed the LORD God

Genesis 2:19
HEB: וַיִּצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים
NAS: the LORD God formed every beast
KJV: God formed every beast
INT: formed the LORD God

Platte · Apr 16, 2024

Diamond7 said:
The question is, HOW did the female come from the male and why does she have to carry the baby?

Men get their mitochondrial from their mother. So IF Eve came from Adam then she would have the Mitochondrial from Adams mother. God formed man from the dust in the same way He formed every beast. Theistic Evolution shows us HOW God made man and all the domestic animals that go with man for food and companionship. YEC people offer no explanation for HOW God did what HE did. The 24 hour day people think He did it in a day instead of over a long period of time as OEC and TE believe.

Just how Eve came from Adam maybe a lot more complicated than we realize. YEC people pretty much believe we do not know how God did what He did. TE believe we understand the process a little but we have a long way to go to having a better understanding. The question is, HOW did the female come from the male and why does she have to carry the baby?

Genesis 2:7
HEB: וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים
NAS: Then the LORD God formed man of dust
KJV: God formed man
INT: formed the LORD God

Genesis 2:19
HEB: וַיִּצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים
NAS: the LORD God formed every beast
KJV: God formed every beast
INT: formed the LORD God

I dont find it complicated. So let’s start with Adam. How did God form Adam from the dust? The Bible is clear that a day is a 24 hour period but we can get into that later. Back to Adam - how did God form him from dust?

Diamond7 · Apr 16, 2024

Platte said:
how did God form him from dust?

The plants grow in the dust and we eat the plants. Life goes from simple to complex. The DNA is the language of life or the language of God. You choice is TE or God is a God of mystery and miracles. Of course we all know there are natural laws as in cause and effect but we study the effect and the laws themselves are difficult to study.

Platte · Apr 16, 2024

Diamond7 said:
The plants grow in the dust and we eat the plants. Life goes from simple to complex. The DNA is the language of life or the language of God. You choice is TE or God is a God of mystery and miracles. Of course we all know there are natural laws as in cause and effect but we study the effect and the laws themselves are difficult to study.

God created Adam from the dust on day 6. He instantly created him and breathed life into him

Diamond7 · Apr 16, 2024

Platte said:
God created Adam from the dust on day 6. He instantly created him and breathed life into him

Punctuated equilibrium describes a process of evolution that suggests very short, rapid periods of change followed by long periods of stability. Gradualism describes a process of evolution that suggests that changes occur slowly and constantly overtime.

If everything happens in an instant why do we have a life that is slow gradual change over time? Do we go from infant to old age or are there stages we go through inb etween?

Platte · Apr 16, 2024

Diamond7 said:
Punctuated equilibrium describes a process of evolution that suggests very short, rapid periods of change followed by long periods of stability. Gradualism describes a process of evolution that suggests that changes occur slowly and constantly overtime.

If everything happens in an instant why do we have a life that is slow gradual change over time? Do we go from infant to old age or are there stages we go through inb etween?

Who said everything happens in an instant? I said creation (Adam) took place in an instance. Creation was the instant creation of what the gradual change would have produced. I suppose similiar to when Jesus raised Lazirus from the dead of made a cripple walk. There was no gradual healing or a gradual reverse of decomposition. It was instant!

Diamond7 · Apr 16, 2024

Platte said:
Who said everything happens in an instant?

Eldredge and Gould Eldredge is agnostic and still alive at 80. Gould was atheist and died when he was 60.

Diamond7 · Apr 16, 2024

Platte said:
I said creation (Adam) took place in an instance.

I think just the opposite that it took God 13 billion years to create Adam. It took God 8 billion years to create the earth. The Bible clearly tells us that God knows the end from the beginning. Before the foundation of the earth, He knew us.

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