The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"

WarriorAngel · Mar 24, 2024

LoveofTruth said:
No, it’s only by the Spirit and revelation and consider these verses to understand

1 Corinthians 2: 11. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. ..14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.”

1 John 2: 20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things…27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

But you lack in acknowledging HE is powerful enough to carry His same Church throughout all time, without it being changed 1500 + years later.

Quote the canon all you like, the Church decided it. You're just borrowing that choice.

LoveofTruth · Mar 25, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
But you lack in acknowledging HE is powerful enough to carry His same Church throughout all time, without it being changed 1500 + years later.

Quote the canon all you like, the Church decided it. You're just borrowing that choice.

I show you scripture to correct things and you act as if you can ignore it???

And I am the one showing God’s order for the church further back than you go. I go to the scriptures and quote men like Jesus, Paul , Peter, John etc. But you go beyond that which is written and quote so called “church fathers”. And that is when the church started to change. Paul was a wise master builder and God gave him the order others also in Christ walked in that order for the churches and this order was the same in all the churches. The things Paul wrote were for all the churches and they were the commandments of the Lord for all if any are ignorant or ignore those things, they are also ignorant and will be ignored as God said through Paul.

Consider,

1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”

1 Corinthians 4: 17. For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.”

I speak of this order from the beginning of the church.

WarriorAngel · Mar 25, 2024

LoveofTruth said:
I show you scripture to correct things and you act as if you can ignore it???

And I am the one showing God’s order for the church further back than you go. I go to the scriptures and quote men like Jesus, Paul , Peter, John etc. But you go beyond that which is written and quote so called “church fathers”. And that is when the church started to change. Paul was a wise master builder and God gave him the order others also in Christ walked in that order for the churches and this order was the same in all the churches. The things Paul write were for all the churches and they were the commandments of the Lord for all if any are ignorant or ignore those things they are also ignorant and will be ignored as Gid said through Paul.

Consider,

1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”

1 Corinthians 4: 17. For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.”

I speak of this order from the beginning of the church.

I have the Church the Lord set up, I have historical fathers henceforth explaining them.
I do not follow exegesis of 2024.

Interesting to NOTE you just posted verses of St Paul again reiterating to Timothy, [who was ordained] to follow the teachings - oral - to remember them because well, obviously THE LORD WILL bring you into REMEBERENCE because HE DID NOT in fact write them down.

Over 2000 years of writings of the same Traditions.

Now here is something, despite any schisms, the Church all have a base of those similar Traditions. Protestants do not have those bases.
They have exegesis...

Did you ever wonder why the Church the Lord set up is being protested?
Isn't that a form of distrusting His power?

LoveofTruth · Mar 25, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
I have the Church the Lord set up, I have historical fathers henceforth explaining them.
I do not follow exegesis of 2024.

Interesting to NOTE you just posted verses of St Paul again reiterating to Timothy, [who was ordained] to follow the teachings - oral - to remember them because well, obviously THE LORD WILL bring you into REMEBERENCE because HE DID NOT in fact write them down.

Over 2000 years of writings of the same Traditions.

Now here is something, despite any schisms, the Church all have a base of those similar Traditions. Protestants do not have those bases.
They have exegesis...

Did you ever wonder why the Church the Lord set up is being protested?
Isn't that a form of distrusting His power?

What Paul taught, everywhere and in every church and this order of God for the churches we have the evidence of this all through scripture .

And the traditions handed to them are found in scripture also, not later traditions that make another gospel and deny the death of Christ and his burial and resurrection for salvation, like Scapulars to save from hell fire by just wearing them , or sacraments or the real presence or water baptism for salvation. Or going to Mary (so called) instead of Jesus etc etc .

WarriorAngel · Mar 25, 2024

LoveofTruth said:
What Paul taught, everywhere and in every church and this order of God for the churches we have the evidence of this all through scripture .

And the traditions handed to them are found in scripture also, not later traditions that make another gospel and deny the death of Christ and his burial abd resurrection for salvation, like Scapulars to save from hell fire by just wearing them , or sacraments or the real presence or water baptism for salvation. Or going to Mary (so called) instead of Jesus etc etc .

Indeed, if you have the original teachings of the meaning of scriptures, which had been numerously expounded in the writings through time of the fathers, then you would understand.

But St John said, not everything was written.
No where do they write the 40 days of teaching after He rose again.

Do you think:

1. The Lord did not know people would walk away from His Church, and so St Peter warned people not to take it upon themselves to wrest anything?

2. Do you not understand nobody can change or top what the Lord already established?

3. Do you not know, the chosen canon [OT and NT] were chosen by the Church and the Pope, and as such, how do you proclaim to know what is meant when you completely argue with the Church who is protector of their canon?

LoveofTruth · Mar 25, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
I have the Church the Lord set up,

No you don’t. I could show you from scripture what the early church was and the order they had (all seen in scripture) and you would see how different your church is from this. Just body ministry in homes as they had a full meal together and all could wait on the Lord for ministry and plurality of male, humble, elders watching over us is soo different from the church of today many are in. With thier large castle like structures instead of meeting in homes and exalted men over all no body ministry or gifts (1 Cor. 14:26-37, 1 Peter 4:20-11) instead of plural elders and body ministering in Christ as He works in all (Ephesians 4:15,16)

WarriorAngel said:
Did you ever wonder why the Church the Lord set up is being protested?
Isn't that a form of distrusting His power?

Paul said he protested some who went away from God’s order and truth

1 Corinthians 15: 31. I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.”

Paul would “protest” many things today as well and especially in the Catholic Church and other religious forms.

WarriorAngel · Mar 25, 2024

LoveofTruth said:
No you don’t. I could show you from scripture what the early church was and the order they had (all seen in scripture) and you would see how different your church is from this. Just body ministry in homes as they had a full meal together and all could wait on the Lord for ministry abd plurality of make humble elders watching over us soo different from the church of today many are in. With thier large castle like structures instead of meeting in homes and exalted men over all no body ministry or gifts (1 Cor. 14:26-37, 1 Peter 4:20-11) instead of plural elders and body ministering in Christ as He works in all (Ephesians 4:15,16)

Paul said he protested sone who went away from Gods order and truth

1 Corinthians 15: 31. I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.”

Paul would protest many things today as well and especially in the Catholic Church and other religious forms.

So Paul left the Apostles and created his own Church?

Is that what you are saying now?

WarriorAngel · Mar 25, 2024

One Church is not plural.

And if you say that Church is in error now, you defy the faith that the Lord Who created, so it can be faulted.

LoveofTruth · Mar 25, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
Indeed, if you have the original teachings of the meaning of scriptures

All scripture is given by inspiration of God and preserved by him and the only way to understand scripture is to be in the rule of the Spirit and revelation of all things by God.

WarriorAngel said:
, which had been numerously expounded in the writings through time of the fathers, then you would understand.

I do not put the so called “fathers” above that which is written in scripture. And Jesus said to call no man father for a good reason, perhaps this is one of them.

WarriorAngel said:
But St John said, not everything was written.
No where do they write the 40 days of teaching after He rose again.

Yes. But we have the Spirit the anointing to teach all things and the body and scriptures that are to furnish through faith all things needed.

God still speaks to all His children.

WarriorAngel said:
Do you think:

1. The Lord did not know people would walk away from His Church, and so St Peter warned people not to take it upon themselves to wrest anything?

Paul warned about men rising up drawing away disciples after themselves (Acts20) We see this with many exalted men who Lord over the church who wear long robes and called “master, father, pope”, etc

WarriorAngel said:
2. Do you not understand nobody can change or top what the Lord already established?

That is established in every believer as he works effectually on the body to the edifying of itself in love (Ephesians 4:25,16) and he has shown the order in scripture, as understood in Christ alone, as we walk in the Spirit and revelation of God.

Otherwise, none can understand the scriptures unless they are in the first rule of living in Christ and walking in the Spirit.

WarriorAngel said:
3. Do you not know, the chosen canon [OT and NT] were chosen by the Church and the Pope, and as such, how do you proclaim to know what is meant when you completely argue with the Church who is protector of their canon?

No, holy men of God wrote scripture as they were inspired by the Spirit and God watched over it and preserved it . Even in OT times the Levites wrote scripture copies and yet even if they were saved or not God watched over it.

You speak things here that are not accurate

And all believers can know all things by the anointing which teaches all things and this is by the Spirit and revelation as I showed already,

Consider carefully here,

1 John 2: 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

And read 1 Cor 2:11,12, 14,15 again in prayer.

LoveofTruth · Mar 25, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
So Paul left the Apostles and created his own Church?

Is that what you are saying now?

No, not at all Paul was called the apostle of the Gentiles and Peter went primarily to the Jews read Galatians 2

LoveofTruth · Mar 26, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
One Church is not plural.

And if you say that Church is in error now, you defy the faith that the Lord Who created, so it can be faulted.

There is one body of Christ worldwide one church in the sense of Christ is the head of the church. But we read of many churches all over.

And the Roman Church was just one of the churches. But the believers who were in the times of Constantine and the changing of church order in Rome under a different head than Christ did not follow those. During this time many in the church joined or married with the world and false doctrines and confusion.

God has always had his church even if many are in error or have gone away from the truth. They are to come out of all error and out of mystery Bablyon.

Even as in the past, with the Jews, when many bowed down to the idol, God had reserved 7000 to himself.

God always has a remnant in all times:

To try and put the Roman Catholic church above all the rest is not right and there are many who withdrew from those who do not walk in the truth as believers are told to do in scripture.

2 Thessalonians 3: 6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”

These traditions are not what modern day men make them in many cases. The traditions are found often in scripture. We see the tradition they did.

And told to the Roman believers of the past to mark those who go against the doctrine they learned.

Romans 16: 17. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

Revelation 18: 4. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

Some of God’s people are in this falsehood.

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