The Rural Voter

RoBo1988 · Mar 1, 2024

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They don't trust the Democratic party.

HTacianas · Mar 1, 2024

RoBo1988 said:
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They don't trust the Democratic party.

One of the reasons they don't is articles like that. They ask the question, "How can Democrats win over rural voters", which is tantamount to asking "How can we defeat those people".

BCP1928 · Mar 1, 2024

RoBo1988 said:
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They don't trust the Democratic party.

Not much reason to. Not much reason to trust Republicans, either, but the Republicans do a better job of giving lip service to issues which are important to them.

iluvatar5150 · Mar 1, 2024

HTacianas said:
One of the reasons they don't is articles like that. They ask the question, "How can Democrats win over rural voters", which is tantamount to asking "How can we defeat those people".

The “those people” in your question would be Republicans, not rural voters.

RoBo1988 · Mar 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
The “those people” in your question would be Republicans, not rural voters.

Which, to most establishment Democrats, are one in the same -an enemy to be destroyed.

comana · Mar 2, 2024

HTacianas said:
One of the reasons they don't is articles like that. They ask the question, "How can Democrats win over rural voters", which is tantamount to asking "How can we defeat those people".

That suggests that the Republican Party was successful in defeating rural voters. In the end it is a game to see which party can sway the most voters. If there is an untapped demographic, it makes sense for either party to evaluate what it would take to draw those voter to their party.

iluvatar5150 · Mar 2, 2024

RoBo1988 said:
Which, to most establishment Democrats, are one in the same -an enemy to be destroyed.

This is about as backwards as humanly possibly. The whole point of the question of "How can Democrats win over rural voters?" is "How can Democrats get rural voters to like them enough to vote for them?" Convincing somebody to voluntarily join your side is the exact opposite of "destroying" them.

If Dems were seeking to just defeat them, they'd be looking for ways of making it hard for them to vote (like, say, shutting down polling places in rural areas) or making their votes irrelevant, like through gerrymandering.

While Dems aren't innocent on this front, over the last ~15 years, they're far and away less guilty of trying to "defeat" or "destroy" the other party's voters. When was the last time Republicans, for example, had a real discussion about how to win over urban voters?

Chesterton · Mar 2, 2024

One good thing about the rural voter is that it's much easier to say than the rural juror.

Nithavela · Mar 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
This is about as backwards as humanly possibly. The whole point of the question of "How can Democrats win over rural voters?" is "How can Democrats get rural voters to like them enough to vote for them?" Convincing somebody to voluntarily join your side is the exact opposite of "destroying" them.

If Dems were seeking to just defeat them, they'd be looking for ways of making it hard for them to vote (like, say, shutting down polling places in rural areas) or making their votes irrelevant, like through gerrymandering.

While Dems aren't innocent on this front, over the last ~15 years, they're far and away less guilty of trying to "defeat" or "destroy" the other party's voters. When was the last time Republicans, for example, had a real discussion about how to win over urban voters?

I think that the point is that the rural voter who votes for the democratic party has become worthless to the GOP, so he has been effectively destroyed.

Lukaris · Mar 2, 2024

It is interesting that American rural areas are traditionally conservative and live in less polluted areas and then become polluted when transformed into suburbs by an influx from liberal places. The replacement liberal politicians & constituents then stress the need to save the planet from environmental disaster.

iluvatar5150 · Mar 2, 2024

Nithavela said:
I think that the point is that the rural voter who votes for the democratic party has become worthless to the GOP, so he has been effectively destroyed.

I wonder if much of the GOP cares about anybody, rural or urban, who doesn't already at least lean conservative.

Lukaris said:
It is interesting that American rural areas are traditionally conservative and live in less polluted areas and then become polluted when transformed into suburbs by an influx from liberal places. The replacement liberal politicians & constituents then stress the need to save the planet from environmental disaster.

yeah, except for those rural folks who lived anywhere near, say, a mine or other industrial facility. It isn't influxes of suburban liberals that build superfund sites or cause tailings dams to collapse.

I've seen some absurd takes around here, but this one is pretty high on the list.

BCP1928 · Mar 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
I wonder if much of the GOP cares about anybody, rural or urban, who doesn't already at least lean conservative.

yeah, except for those rural folks who lived anywhere near, say, a mine or other industrial facility. It isn't influxes of suburban liberals that build superfund sites or cause tailings dams to collapse.

I've seen some absurd takes around here, but this one is pretty high on the list.

It's all good, as long as the working class stays politically divided.

Nithavela · Mar 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
I wonder if much of the GOP cares about anybody, rural or urban, who doesn't already at least lean conservative.

Why would you wonder about that?

Hans Blaster · Mar 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
When was the last time Republicans, for example, had a real discussion about how to win over urban voters?

I think they just put out a golden sneaker. That aught to count for something.

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