State Senator in California wants speed governors in vehicles

Vambram · Jan 30, 2024

Senator Wiener Introduces Groundbreaking Bills to Slash California Road Deaths Epidemic

SACRAMENTO – Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) introduced the Speeding and Fatality Emergency Reduction on California Streets (SAFER California Streets) Package, Senate Bills 960 & 961, a fir

sd11.senate.ca.gov

Is this law really necessary in California?

Paulos23 · Jan 30, 2024

Vambram said:
Senator Wiener Introduces Groundbreaking Bills to Slash California Road Deaths Epidemic

SACRAMENTO – Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) introduced the Speeding and Fatality Emergency Reduction on California Streets (SAFER California Streets) Package, Senate Bills 960 & 961, a fir

sd11.senate.ca.gov

Is this law really necessary in California?

Given the way some of us drive, I think it is a good idea.

If it is possible to do is another issue.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 30, 2024

Vambram said:
Senator Wiener Introduces Groundbreaking Bills to Slash California Road Deaths Epidemic

SACRAMENTO – Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) introduced the Speeding and Fatality Emergency Reduction on California Streets (SAFER California Streets) Package, Senate Bills 960 & 961, a fir

sd11.senate.ca.gov

Is this law really necessary in California?

All of those regulations sound reasonable to me. The only people harmed by this are the municipalities who use speeding tickets as a cash cow.

JustOneWay · Jan 30, 2024

Vambram said:
Senator Wiener Introduces Groundbreaking Bills to Slash California Road Deaths Epidemic

SACRAMENTO – Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) introduced the Speeding and Fatality Emergency Reduction on California Streets (SAFER California Streets) Package, Senate Bills 960 & 961, a fir

sd11.senate.ca.gov

Is this law really necessary in California?

No. This could not be enforced for all the out of state tourism by car California draws.

It is better to crack down on red light runners.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 30, 2024

JustOneWay said:
No. This could not be enforced for all the out of state tourism by car California draws.

The law would only cover cars sold in California. I would hazard a guess that these would be electronic governors, which, because of CA's outsized market share, would ultimately be installed in all new cars in the country and then enabled/disabled based on local laws, which would then enable them to be enabled when folks move to CA and register their cars in the state.

JustOneWay said:
It is better to crack down on red light runners.

There are no red lights on the freeway.

wing2000 · Jan 30, 2024

IMO, the state would be better served in stepping up techology to detect speeders and punish the offenders. Requiring all vehicles sold in California to have speed governors punishes everyone (higher cost) for the sins of a few. I

JustOneWay · Jan 30, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
The law would only cover cars sold in California. I would hazard a guess that these would be electronic governors, which, because of CA's outsized market share, would ultimately be installed in all new cars in the country and then enabled/disabled based on local laws, which would then enable them to be enabled when folks move to CA and register their cars in the state.

Which makes it pointless when some have governors and others do not.

iluvatar5150 said:
There are no red lights on the freeway.

What? Peeps only speed on the highway? We are talking about saving people's lives, and they are also dying at intersections.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 30, 2024

wing2000 said:
IMO, the state would be better served in stepping up techology to detect speeders and punish the offenders. Requiring all vehicles sold in California to have speed governors punishes everyone (higher cost) for the sins of a few. I

eh... I don't imagine it would even cost that much. Most cars these days have built-in nav systems as an option, and I suspect more cars will follow the BMW model of shipping with all of the necessary hardware and having certain features enabled via software. If a car has a nav system (which many do and more will) and has a computer-controlled fuel system (which most/all do), then it's not a big leap to tie them together. It's already a pretty common feature on fleet vehicles.

JustOneWay said:
Which makes it pointless when some have governors and others do not.

On California roads, what's the proportion of CA-registered vehicles to out-of-staters. I imagine that, as is the case in most states, CA-registered vehicles are going to be the overwhelming majority. That's even true in small northeastern states where interstate commuting is common. Given the size of the state and the way its population is distributed (i.e. fewer people live on the borders than the coast), it should be even more true for CA.

But even if coverage is not 100%, how would that make the rule "pointless"? Is it better to not limit anybody than to only limit some?

JustOneWay said:
What? Peeps only speed on the highway?

Did I say that? No, I don't think I did.

JustOneWay said:
We are talking about saving people's lives, and they are also dying at intersections.

The laws being proposed in the OP have other provisions for regular streets.

wing2000 · Jan 30, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
eh... I don't imagine it would even cost that much. Most cars these days have built-in nav systems as an option, and I suspect more cars will follow the BMW model of shipping with all of the necessary hardware and having certain features enabled via software. If a car has a nav system (which many do and more will) and has a computer-controlled fuel system (which most/all do), then it's not a big leap to tie them together. It's already a pretty common feature on fleet vehicles.

Good point. I notice the bill would only apply to new vehicles. For several years, a signficant portion of California cars would not have the regulation. I can imagine new BMW owners would not appreciate the 10 mph over speed limit restriction.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 30, 2024

wing2000 said:
I can imagine new BMW owners would not appreciate the 10 mph over speed limit restriction.

Imagine how they'd feel if the rule required tying the lane-drift detection system to the turn signal.

ozso · Jan 30, 2024

Vambram said:
Is this law really necessary in California?

It definitely sounds typical of California. I was visiting family there years ago and they told me about a new law that if your windshield wipers were on your headlights had to be on too.

Tuur · Jan 30, 2024

Vambram said:
Is this law really necessary in California?

Cue an old vaudeville joke:

Cop to the driver of a speeding garbage truck: "Doesn't that thing have a governor on it?"
Garbage truck driver. "No, it just smells that way."

jacks · Jan 30, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
Imagine how they'd feel if the rule required tying the lane-drift detection system to the turn signal.

How about a device where if your signal is going but you don't turn; a little fist comes out of the steering wheel and punches you in the jaw.

Paulos23 · Jan 30, 2024

Ceallaigh said:
It definitely sounds typical of California. I was visiting family there years ago and they told me about a new law that if your windshield wipers were on your headlights had to be on too.

Some cars do that automatically now. Given the number of 'suprise' cars coming out of the rain with no lights I have seen on the road, I do think this is a good idea.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 30, 2024

Ceallaigh said:
It definitely sounds typical of California. I was visiting family there years ago and they told me about a new law that if your windshield wipers were on your headlights had to be on too.

AFAIK, lots of states have that law. Not that it really matters, since most (all?) cars have daytime running lights.

jacks said:
How about a device where if your signal is going but you don't turn; a little fist comes out of the steering wheel and punches you in the jaw.

Have you heard about road rage in CA? I don't think their bad drivers have any trouble finding fists for their jaws.

Hans Blaster · Jan 30, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
AFAIK, lots of states have that law. Not that it really matters, since most (all?) cars have daytime running lights.

Mine doesn't, but I get a bit more bothered by the cars that don't operate nighttime running lights.

Desk trauma · Jan 30, 2024

Ceallaigh said:
It definitely sounds typical of California. I was visiting family there years ago and they told me about a new law that if your windshield wipers were on your headlights had to be on too.

That has also been the law in NC for decades.

FireDragon76 · Jan 30, 2024

Ceallaigh said:
It definitely sounds typical of California. I was visiting family there years ago and they told me about a new law that if your windshield wipers were on your headlights had to be on too.

That's common in many states.

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