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Fake Robocall Urges NH Democrats Not to Vote In Primary

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This looks interesting:

If I can be honest, I'm not at ALL surprised that Republicans were the first group to use AI nefariously.

No disrespect because I know quite a few will find this behaviour abhorent or at LEAST a dangerous precedent. It is these people I will cling to as I would be bashing my political party for doing the same thing. Because of COURSE they will. I'll be right there to say they will.

What I will have NO patience for is Republicans who go up in arms when Dems do it but have no problem with this.
 
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You can tell it's fake ..............Joe spoke in complete sentences
Sick burn.....until you look at what Republicans have on offer. It's arguably worse. AT LEAST Joe has a stutter.
 
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If I can be honest, I'm not at ALL surprised that Republicans were the first group to use AI nefariously.

We don't know Republicans are behind it. It could be some other group. Perhaps Russians, who knows...

Hopefully it gets a good investigation and whoever perpetrated it is brought to justice.
 
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You can tell it's fake ..............Joe spoke in complete sentences
Poking fun at a guy with a stammer is pretty low.

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
 
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Poking fun at a guy with a stammer is pretty low.

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
I mean…

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To this day I cannot understand how that did not end his political career.
I can't believe that being found liable for sexual assault after bragging how he can just grab women by the you know what did not end his political career.
 
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To this day I cannot understand how that did not end his political career.
I remember when Howard Dean was the front runner until he did a weird yell and people took that as a sign he was nuts and it killed his campaign and his political career.

Fast forward to… *gestures at the whole of the Trump campaign* … And here we are.
 
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I remember when Howard Dean was the front runner until he did a weird yell and people took that as a sign he was nuts and it killed his campaign and his political career.

Fast forward to… *gestures at the whole of the Trump campaign* … And here we are.

But... Trump has a huge red tie and a gold toilet!

I think it was Sam Harris who said about Trump years ago, he's a stupid person's idea of a smart, rich man.
 
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It spoke VOLUMES to me about the people who tried to justify this behaviour....FROM A LEADER.

Had they been talking about a friend or louse or a drunk in a bar, I'd excuse that. But...from a LEADER? You are not well if you think someone who does this should lead literally ANYONE if you want the world to be a better place.
 
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A New Orleans magician says a Democratic operative paid him to make the fake Biden robocall

Dean Phillips’ presidential campaign denounced the alleged actions of one of its consultants and said it may take legal action against him.

[Magician Paul] Carpenter — who holds world records in fork-bending and straitjacket escapes, but has no fixed address — showed NBC News how he created the fake Biden audio and said he came forward because he regrets his involvement in the ordeal and wants to warn people about how easy it is to use AI to mislead.

Creating the fake audio took less than 20 minutes and cost only $1, he said, for which he was paid $150, according to Venmo payments from Kramer and his father, Bruce Kramer, that he shared.

Steve Kramer is a longtime political operative, having worked for dozens of campaigns over 20 years including the 2020 presidential campaign of Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West.

Federal Election Commission records show that Steve Kramer was paid $259,946 by Phillips' campaign in December and January.

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“Paul had no prior knowledge of what the AI-generated content would be used for and Paul did not have any knowledge that it would be used to potentially affect or be used in connection with any election or voter activity," [his lawyer] Kizy said.

[The magician] speaks of his belief in right-wing conspiracy theories such as the “deep state” and has "some issues" with the first moon landing
 
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I'm guessing there's a chance that they'll have quite the tough time tracking this down.

I've been involved in research efforts involving number spoofing (on both the voice and SMS fronts), it's no easy task.

Granted, federal authorities may have access to a few "toys & tools" and a certain amount of leverage that someone in my position wouldn't have.

But in any case, tracking these things down is no easy task.

One from the last year we had to try to track down involved a troll/prank of some sort in which someone was calling and leaving VMs for people telling them they'd been laid off (when they actually hadn't) for a somewhat nationally-known company, using a generated recording of the voice of the CEO (that's all the info I'll give lol), the calls went out to around 1700 people.

Chasing it back through all the various layers, only to hit a roadblock when dealing with a SIP router/provider hosted in a foreign country that has no incentive to help is usually the roadblock.


Very rarely is it ever as simple as "oh, this is a hosted number running on a provider like a Twilio or a Genesys, and they're passing a spoofed caller ID and CNAM value, lemme just call my contact at that company and get real SIP headers form the transaction logs & the IP address of the person who logged into the account associated with it, and then make another quick call to the ISP to get the details of who it belongs to"
 
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I’m surprised that anyone is trying the robocall approach. Who answers unknown numbers? And worse, who answers and then doesn’t immediately hang up on robo messages?
Who would hang up on the President of the United States? :oops:
 
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