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Fani Willis delivers Sunday message

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She blamed others instead of taking responsibility for using taxpayer money for her rendezvous with a prosecutor she selected to work with her on taxpayer money. And then she claims that criticism of her actions are "racism". Give it a rest lady. You got caught and didn't think you would.

"You cannot expect Black women to be perfect and save the world," Willis said. "We need to be allowed to stumble. We need grace." "We are all flawed, sinners, unworthy, imperfect, damaged...But we are qualified upon His calling," she continued before concluding her remarks.
 
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The same people who shout about "separation of church and state", seem to seek out a pulpit when they have political problems.

If it happened at a church I attended, be it left or right, I would not attend there any more
 
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The same people who shout about "separation of church and state", seem to seek out a pulpit when they have political problems.

If it happened at a church I attended, be it left or right, I would not attend there any more
Agree with you. This does NOT belong in church - in God's house. Nothing political does, and in fact, the IRS Code doesn't permit political activity for a 501c3 organization.
 
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in fact, the IRS Code doesn't permit political activity for a 501c3 organization.
For some reason, the Republicans complained a few years ago when the IRS started enforcing this provision. That's when they started using the term 'weaponized', if that's relevant.
 
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For some reason, the Republicans complained a few years ago when the IRS started enforcing this provision. That's when they started using the term 'weaponized', if that's relevant.
It has never permitted political activity for 501c3 entities.
 
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Agree with you. This does NOT belong in church - in God's house. Nothing political does, and in fact, the IRS Code doesn't permit political activity for a 501c3 organization.

Good grief . Pearl clutching much?

She's popular in Atlanta. She isn't campaigning in the church, she's attending as a private citizen who just happens to also be a civil servant.
 
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Good grief . Pearl clutching much?

She's popular in Atlanta. She isn't campaigning in the church, she's attending as a private citizen who just happens to also be a civil servant.
Those of us who actually understand how the law works understand that abiding by IRS regs matters. The IRS prohibits political partisan speech or activity in Church for a 501c3 organization. Churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations have been prohibited from supporting specific political candidates since the passage of the Johnson Amendment in 1954.

The Internal Revenue Code provides that, by definition, 501(c)(3) organizations do not “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.” In other words, taking an active role in a political campaign can negate a church’s tax-exempt status. If a church is determined to have violated this rule it may be required to pay income tax for every year it has failed to qualify for the exemption due to its political activities.

Unfortunately, this is overlooked for certain segments of violators when corrupt people are running the government.
 
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Those of us who actually understand how the law works understand that abiding by IRS regs matters. The IRS prohibits political partisan speech or activity in Church for a 501c3 organization. Churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations have been prohibited from supporting specific political candidates since the passage of the Johnson Amendment in 1954.

The Internal Revenue Code provides that, by definition, 501(c)(3) organizations do not “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.” In other words, taking an active role in a political campaign can negate a church’s tax-exempt status. If a church is determined to have violated this rule it may be required to pay income tax for every year it has failed to qualify for the exemption due to its political activities.

Unfortunately, this is overlooked for certain segments of violators when corrupt people are running the government.
This explains why the Republicans were so upset when the IRS started enforcing this provision under Obama. Even though the only organization whose status was denied was liberal, the Republicans somehow spun it as oppression against conservatives.
 
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She blamed others instead of taking responsibility for using taxpayer money for her rendezvous with a prosecutor she selected to work with her on taxpayer money. And then she claims that criticism of her actions are "racism". Give it a rest lady. You got caught and didn't think you would.

"You cannot expect Black women to be perfect and save the world," Willis said. "We need to be allowed to stumble. We need grace." "We are all flawed, sinners, unworthy, imperfect, damaged...But we are qualified upon His calling," she continued before concluding her remarks.

...it's your position that her remarks (that you quoted above) in a church service equate to a violation of 501c?
 
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Those of us who actually understand how the law works understand that abiding by IRS regs matters. The IRS prohibits political partisan speech or activity in Church for a 501c3 organization. Churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations have been prohibited from supporting specific political candidates since the passage of the Johnson Amendment in 1954.

Which part of her remarks in church is "partisan speech or activity"?
 
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Which part of her remarks in church is "partisan speech or activity"?

Talking about your struggles in your vocation isn't political speech in the context of a religious service. She just happens to be a Democrat, and some people seem to think that Christians should only be Republicans.
 
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Which part of her remarks in church is "partisan speech or activity"?
It was all political.
"Willis made her remarks Sunday at the Big Bethel A.M.E. Church in Atlanta, six days after one of Trump’s 14 remaining co-defendants accused her of having an improper romantic relationship with Wade that was serious enough to have them both thrown off the case.

Without mentioning him by name, Willis said Wade was not only a “great friend” but an experienced and well-respected lawyer with the “impeccable” credentials needed to be a special prosecutor overseeing the sprawling racketeering case.

Willis talked about how she hired two other lawyers – a white man and a white woman – to also help her prosecute Trump and his co-defendants on charges of trying to illegally overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia that Trump lost to Democrat Joe Biden."

Then instead of admitting maybe she didn't do the right thing since she decided to talk about it FROM THE PULPIT, she accused those who questioned her of racism and made excuses.

 
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It was all political.
"Willis made her remarks Sunday at the Big Bethel A.M.E. Church in Atlanta, six days after one of Trump’s 14 remaining co-defendants accused her of having an improper romantic relationship with Wade that was serious enough to have them both thrown off the case.

Without mentioning him by name, Willis said Wade was not only a “great friend” but an experienced and well-respected lawyer with the “impeccable” credentials needed to be a special prosecutor overseeing the sprawling racketeering case.

Willis talked about how she hired two other lawyers – a white man and a white woman – to also help her prosecute Trump and his co-defendants on charges of trying to illegally overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia that Trump lost to Democrat Joe Biden."

Then instead of admitting maybe she didn't do the right thing since she decided to talk about it FROM THE PULPIT, she accused those who questioned her of racism and made excuses.


You perceive it as "political". If we go by your perception, then no public official could discuss their job related challenges in a public church service.

Did she campaign either for herself or another candidate? Did she tell the congregation to vote for a specific candidate?
 
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You perceive it as "political". If we go by your perception, then no public official could discuss their job related challenges in a public church service.

Did she campaign either for herself or another candidate? Did she tell the congregation to vote for a specific candidate?
I "perceive" it...what? She literally spoke from the pulpit about a case against a political candidate she is trying and the prosecutors involved and excused her actions. She speaks at length about the case and the prosecutors she hired, including the one who has never handled felonies, with whom his wife has stated her husband was buying plane tickets for he and Fani Willis to travel together.

READ: Fulton County DA Fani Willis on improper relationship charges

That's political. In Church, they should be talking about Jesus. Or forgiveness, redemption, repentance, you know....relevant things.
 
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This explains why the Republicans were so upset when the IRS started enforcing this provision under Obama. Even though the only organization whose status was denied was liberal, the Republicans somehow spun it as oppression against conservatives.

It is also odd given that it seems Republicans didn't want it enforced, at all, under Trump; as several conservative pastors both endorsed and gave sermons praising Trump. To the best of my knowledge, none of these pastors have ever been contacted about their political activity by the IRS.
 
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I "perceive" it...what? She literally spoke from the pulpit about a case against a political candidate she is trying and the prosecutors involved.

That's political. In Church, they should be talking about Jesus. Or forgiveness, redemption, repentance, you know....relevant things.

Unless she is actively campaining for public office (for herself or someone else) from the pulpit, I don't think its a violation of 501C.

IRS:
Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."
 
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You perceive it as "political". If we go by your perception, then no public official could discuss their job related challenges in a public church service.

Did she campaign either for herself or another candidate? Did she tell the congregation to vote for a specific candidate?
Oh she campaigned for herself, excusing herself in every possible way as she discussed this case. She made comments about it and posted this on Twitter:
 
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Unless she is actively campaining for public office (for herself or someone else) from the pulpit, I don't think its a violation of 501C.

IRS:
Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."
Ban on political activity. Not just ban on promoting candidates.
 
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