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Speaking only for myself, I’d much rather Trump be allowed to remain on the ballot in each state and see him lose outright in the general election.

Taking him off the ballot just lets him play the “poor old persecuted Trump” card to his fans and I think the only way this guy learns anything is by hard knocks. Losing the election a second time would be the biggest blow to his ego I can imagine.
 
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Trump be allowed to remain on the ballot
He gives his view on who wins whether on or off the ballot the next presidential election. The opposite of what I was thinking.
 
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Speaking only for myself, I’d much rather Trump be allowed to remain on the ballot in each state and see him lose outright in the general election.

Taking him off the ballot just lets him play the “poor old persecuted Trump” card to his fans and I think the only way this guy learns anything is by hard knocks. Losing the election a second time would be the biggest blow to his ego I can imagine.
President Dewey likes.
 
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Speaking only for myself, I’d much rather Trump be allowed to remain on the ballot in each state and see him lose outright in the general election.
I think it is more about the law than it is about what you would prefer, or what you would personally find more satisfactory.

If the law doesn't apply with regards to people running for USA president, then perhaps Arnold Schwarzenegger should be on the ballot.
Perhaps there are some popular people under 35 that should be on the ballot.
Maybe even Putin or some other popular person from around the world should get their name on the ballot for USA president.
They could even bring back Obama to run for president again (who cares about that 3rd term restriction anyways)


D Trump used to actively support the Birther conspiracy against Obama, so even D Trump was all in on having restrictions on who could be on the ballot.

Anyway, my point is, it doesn't matter what people would prefer or what would be more satisfactory or whatnot, The only thing that matters is the law and constitution here.
 
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Peter has Trump derangement syndrome. He has other issues as well which is why I stopped following him.

The state legislatures get to decide how federal elections are run in their states. The US Constitution doesn't say anything about state Supreme Courts as far as I know.

If the US Supreme Court approves the Colorado move, then expect tit-for-tat in red states.
 
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If the US Supreme Court approves the Colorado move, then expect tit-for-tat in red states.
It would be good, if in red states they uphold the law and the constitution and don't allow anyone who is disqualified from running for office.
This kind of tit for tat would be a good thing.
 
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The US Constitution doesn't say anything about state Supreme Courts as far as I know.
State supreme courts are the final arbiters on matters of state law (including laws governing the conduct of elections), just like the US Supreme Court is the final arbiter on matters of federal law. If state law says that someone who has "engaged in insurrection" cannot be on the ballot, and the courts determine that in individual has "engaged in insurrection," then it seems reasonable that that court also exclude him from the state's ballot.

Likewise, we saw an effort to remove Trump from the Michigan ballot defeated because Michigan law does not place any restrictions on who can and cannot be on a primary ballot.
 
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It would be good, if in red states they uphold the law and the constitution and don't allow anyone who is disqualified from running for office.
This kind of tit for tat would be a good thing.
except that the 14th amendment makes no such claim an in fact when it was passed there were no primaries, so how could the amendment be meant to address something that was not a thing for several more decades?
 
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except that the 14th amendment makes no such claim an in fact when it was passed there were no primaries, so how could the amendment be meant to address something that was not a thing for several more decades?
The 14th amendment addresses, among other things, who should be disqualified from office. While it doesn't discuss primaries (because, as you said, they did not exist at the time), it's wholly reasonable for states to restrict who can be on the primary ballot based on whether or not they are qualified for office. After all, it wouldn't do to nominate someone who couldn't legally hold office, right? And that's precisely what happened here. Colorado requires all primary candidates to be qualified for the office that they are running for. The petitioners claimed that Trump was disqualified based on the 14th amendment, and therefore should be taken off the ballot. The courts agreed with their arguments, so it was done.
 
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except that the 14th amendment makes no such claim an in fact when it was passed there were no primaries, so how could the amendment be meant to address something that was not a thing for several more decades?
Oh, OK, you are talking about primaries.

I don't care who you have on your primary ballots,

But, just out of interest.
What happens when a person wins the primary but are not qualified for the presidential election? Who goes on the ballot in the presidential election?
 
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What happens when a person wins the primary but are not qualified for the presidential election? Who goes on the ballot in the presidential election?
It would be up to the rules in each state, if they have any that apply. If they don't have any, this would probably be a good time to whip something up.
 
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Sad you can't skim through a video and then comment about it.
I don't generally watch youtube videos posted by others for a variety of reasons. That's why it's generally considered polite to post a brief summary of the video.
 
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I don't generally watch youtube videos posted by others for a variety of reasons. That's why it's generally considered polite to post a brief summary of the video.
Then why comment on what someone else says that is off-topic? It's just as polite to at least get a gist of what the topic is about by watching the video, before making comments. I read everything people post if I want to be involved with a thread. But I know an 8-minute video will take up too much time and keep people from jumping from thread to thread arguing over semantics.
 
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Then why comment on what someone else says that is off-topic? It's just as polite to at least get a gist of what the topic is about by watching the video, before making comments. I read everything people post if I want to be involved with a thread. But I know an 8-minute video will take up too much time and keep people from jumping from thread to thread arguing over semantics.
This is a case of "that's just how the internet works." If you post a video without comment, most people won't watch it, but will rather assume that the thread title is the topic of the thread. Discussion will continue from there.
 
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This is a case of "that's just how the internet works." If you post a video without comment, most people won't watch it, but will rather assume that the thread title is the topic of the thread. Discussion will continue from there.
I guess, to me it seems like intellectual laziness.
Peter has an interesting take on Trump's disqualification
I'm not going to screw up what he says so I'd rather you hear it from the horse's mouth. This is for anyone interested in a different point of view of their assumptions like I've already read on other threads. Peace
 
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I guess, to me it seems like intellectual laziness.

Nobody has any incentive to watch the posted video.

Not only do we not have a summary of the content, but we have no idea who "Peter" is, and the guy in the title card looks like he is wearing his tin-foil hat with the knit cover for warmth today.

Give us a chance and and we may watch a 8 minute video, but currently that's all we know about it.
 
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