Jordan Peterson

2PhiloVoid · Nov 29, 2023

linux.poet said:
I feel a bit like I am repeating myself at this point, but it's unreasonable for a college professor and psychologist who is famous for being both of those things to bring his personal beliefs to the table in his content. Both of those disciplines are about inspiring students to develop their own beliefs based on accumulated evidence (in the case of the professor) and swap out useless beliefs for more productive ones (in the case of the psychologist). In both of those contexts, the beliefs of the professor or psychologist are viewed as an unproductive distractions from the practitioners' objectives in those disciplines.

The information we have about Peterson is sitting on the other side of this intellectual filter. As Christians, we primarily care about beliefs, but it is unreasonable to expect a new Christian to immediately renounce all of the tenants of his chosen profession that he has been doing for a very long time to satisfy our particular curiosity.

In some sense, this thread is like the transgender video with them assaulting Peterson trying to find out his beliefs. We're doing the same thing from the other side of the aisle, though I would think that we would have more courtesy and let the man get a word in edgewise if he were here.

I'm only guessing, but I'm thinkg the problem here is that for Peterson, since he's trading in Psychology, there are very likely a number of Epistemological Issues he's trying to wrangle with in order to get to a point where Christianity seems to him to be, at the least, substantively true rather than merey ideologically useful for pragmatically inclinced social/political reasons.

But again, I haven't heard the man's full mind on Epistemological issues that overlap with both Historiography and Psychology and can either persuade or dissuade a person from inclining toward the biblical writings.

As for the Lord's part of it, I'm not going to speak on what the Holy Spirit may or may not be doing in Peterson's mind at the moment.

linux.poet · Nov 29, 2023

2PhiloVoid said:
since he's trading in Psychology, there are very likely a number of Epistemological Issues he's trying to wrangle with in order to get to a point where Christianity seems to him to be, at the least,

I'm pretty sure that Psychology takes the assumption that society is the epistemological source of knowledge and beliefs, especially in the case of Freud and Jung. However, you may still be correct.

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

Yes - does he view Christianity as being an expression of aspiration from the pinnacle of humanity or something more?

2PhiloVoid · Nov 29, 2023

linux.poet said:
I'm pretty sure that Psychology takes the assumption that society is the epistemological source of knowledge and beliefs, especially in the case of Freud and Jung. However, you may still be correct.

The thing is, whether Psychologists like it or not, there are aspects of the field of Epistemology (along with other sub-fields of Philosophy) which overlap with, are drawn from, and are often critically fed back into the assessments and praxis which are involved in a person's perceptions of the world, or even in his or her perceptions of the essential truth(s) of Christianity.

This fact is one that affects Peterson's own personal epistemic journey with the Christian faith. His assessments may or may not be similar to anyone who is an established "Christian Psychologist or Christian Neuroscientist."

All Becomes New · Nov 29, 2023

Carl Emerson said:
Yes - does he view Christianity as being an expression of aspiration from the pinnacle of humanity or something more?

The latter, IMO. It's the same thing as his view of the Bible. The Bible is the foundation of truth for him, but at the same time, he believes it has a lot of contradictions. In other words, the Bible is a framework and may not be true because it's actually true--it just happens to be the cornerstone of society in the West.

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

OK this could get serious...

Who would want to participate and what questions would you ask ???

2PhiloVoid · Nov 29, 2023

linux.poet said:
I'm pretty sure that Psychology takes the assumption that society is the epistemological source of knowledge and beliefs, especially in the case of Freud and Jung. However, you may still be correct.

Adding to what I just wrote above, here's a "quick take" on Peterson's view of Christianity I found in a few articles from 2 1/2 years ago (2021). We'd also need to see how much he's moved forward since then ... In some ways, his case reminds me of that of former prominent atheist philosopher, Antony Flew, who also began to veer toward theism and Christianity just before he died a while back.

Jordan Peterson describes his difficulties with Christianity

THE author of the well-known book 12 Rules for Life (2018), Dr Jordan B. Peterson, who is a professo...

www.churchtimes.co.uk

Jordan Peterson talks of Jesus, the Gospel, leading Christian fans to speculate about his faith journey

Author and speaker Jordan Peterson choked up in tears as he spoke about Jesus Christ in a recent podcast, leading some of his Christian fans to pray for his faith journey

www.christianpost.com

All Becomes New · Nov 29, 2023

Carl Emerson said:
OK this could get serious...

Who would want to participate and what questions would you ask ???

I would ask him what would convince him the resurrection literally happened.

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

As Herman Dooyeweerd said - the fact of the resurrection is the hub of all knowledge.

Always in His Presence · Nov 29, 2023

Carl Emerson said:
If we can get him to dialogue in a private setting - who would want to participate?

What questions would you like to ask him ???

What are the chances of that actually happening?

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

hislegacy said:
What are the chances of that actually happening?

I don't believe in chance, I would give it our best shot.

Always in His Presence · Nov 29, 2023

Carl Emerson said:
I don't believe in chance, I would give it our best shot.

I'd say good luck with that, but you probably don't believe in luck either.

All Becomes New · Nov 29, 2023

hislegacy said:
What are the chances of that actually happening?

Very slim.

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

Interesting - the chances of the resurrection were very slim as well...

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

Those with the faith of out Father Abraham believe that He can make something out of nothing....

No chance of that...

Carl Emerson · Nov 29, 2023

Folks say I have a gift of faith - flew to Israel and China with $150 for 10 weeks - everything was paid - folks I didn't know supported me.

Let's celebrate life and let Him surprise us.

Danny&Annie&theChristmas · Nov 29, 2023

The Liturgist said:
The trans-sexual person who is heckling him is astonishingly rude, and to me this underscores the need for gender dysphoria to not be accommodated but rather to be treated as a mental health condition, with medication, cognitive behavioral therapy and so on, in the same way we treat schizophrenia and psychosis.

The trans-sexual, like most homosexuals, were sexually assaulted as kids. Therefore, yes, he is in need of psychological care.

Danny&Annie&theChristmas · Nov 29, 2023

hislegacy said:
Ok - help me understand -

He is not a Christian.
He does not claim to be a Christian
He is not trying to stop Christianity

So, why is this such a major issue? Don't we have bigger things to complain about?

Because Jordan Peterson is an ever increasing threat to the Canadian establishment and indirectly a threat to the American establishment.

Always in His Presence · Nov 29, 2023

Danny&Annie&theChristmas said:
Because Jordan Peterson is an ever increasing threat to the Canadian establishment and indirectly a threat to the American establishment.

What EXACTLY is the Canadian Establishment you are referring to?

Danny&Annie&theChristmas · Nov 29, 2023

hislegacy said:
What EXACTLY is the Canadian Establishment you are referring to?

Exactly, the Freemason deep state.

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