Shannon Doherty, battling cancer, isn't afraid of death because she is a "good person".

Jermayn · Nov 29, 2023

Please pray for this woman and everyone like here who believes "good people" go to Heaven. It would seem she is on the cusp of eternity without Christ and very close to finding out that Hell is packed full of "good" people. So sad to see so many believe they can work their way into Heaven.

Shannen Doherty's cancer has spread: 'I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to die'

Although her breast cancer continues to spread to other areas of her body, Shannen Doherty is adamant she is not close to death and still has a lot left to do. "I don't want to die," she says.

www.foxnews.com

Tropical Wilds · Nov 29, 2023

I’d rather pray for her health and peace… The OP comes off as judgy and presumptive, and given she’s likely going to meet her maker much sooner than you or I, I wouldn’t presume to make such judgments on somebody who’s facing something that unenviable and inevitable.

Jermayn · Nov 29, 2023

Tropical Wilds said:
I’d rather pray for her health and peace… The OP comes off as judgy and presumptive, and given she’s likely going to meet her maker much sooner than you or I, I wouldn’t presume to make such judgments on somebody who’s facing something that unenviable and inevitable.

In case you need a refresher on Christian theology, there is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ. Your "good" works are as filthy rags before God. Also, you live 80 years on average and step into eternity, so maybe you need to think about your priorities. What is "health and peace" worth if you spend eternity in Hell afterwards?

public hermit · Nov 29, 2023

Jermayn said:
In case you need a refresher on Christian theology, there is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ. Your "good" works are as filthy rags before God. Also, you live 80 years on average and step into eternity, so maybe you need to think about your priorities. What is "health and peace" worth if you spend eternity in Hell afterwards?

She is quoted in the article as referring to God. She's not making theological claims about how one is justified. You're reading way too much into her statements while simultaneously not giving her credit for what she says. Besides, who's business is it, anyway? She needs prayer not condemnation.

Tropical Wilds · Nov 30, 2023

Jermayn said:
In case you need a refresher on Christian theology, there is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ. Your "good" works are as filthy rags before God. Also, you live 80 years on average and step into eternity, so maybe you need to think about your priorities. What is "health and peace" worth if you spend eternity in Hell afterwards?

You realize she was raised Southern Baptist, right? And claimed like 5 years ago her faith is what sustained her through her first bout of cancer? So I suspect she knows what the Christian stance on Heaven and hell is.

As for me, I don’t need a refresher, thanks. I just prefer not to get confrontational about or with a stranger who’s facing unimaginable physical pain and death and, without knowing anything about them, declare they’re going to hell. It’s that kind of behavior that makes non-Christian’s think we are tone deaf, insensitive jerks, and gives us the often quoted phrase “there’s no love like Christian hate.”

Shocking as it may be, I don’t believe my need to be “right” about theology outweighs their need for healing and peace during something as awful as death by brain, bone, breast, and stomach cancer.

dzheremi · Nov 30, 2023

Geez Louise. She needs prayer because she has cancer and is going through a very tough time with it, not because she's in danger of going to hell according to some random person who doesn't know her who posts on an internet message board. :doh:

Jermayn · Nov 30, 2023

public hermit said:
She is quoted in the article as referring to God. She's not making theological claims about how one is justified. You're reading way too much into her statements while simultaneously not giving her credit for what she says. Besides, who's business is it, anyway? She needs prayer not condemnation.

A few points:

Saying "I believe in God" doesn't save you. James 2:19

She very much did make a theological claim. "I know where I'm going. I know… the people that I'm gonna see. I think I would be afraid of death if I wasn't a good person. But I am."

"Please pray for this woman" was literally the first 5 words of my post.

Jermayn · Nov 30, 2023

Tropical Wilds said:
You realize she was raised Southern Baptist, right? And claimed like 5 years ago her faith is what sustained her through her first bout of cancer? So I suspect she knows what the Christian stance on Heaven and hell is.

As for me, I don’t need a refresher, thanks. I just prefer not to get confrontational about or with a stranger who’s facing unimaginable physical pain and death and, without knowing anything about them, declare they’re going to hell. It’s that kind of behavior that makes non-Christian’s think we are tone deaf, insensitive jerks, and gives us the often quoted phrase “there’s no love like Christian hate.”

Shocking as it may be, I don’t believe my need to be “right” about theology outweighs their need for healing and peace during something as awful as death by brain, bone, breast, and stomach cancer.

A few points:

Being raised in a Southern Baptist home doesn't save you. John 3:16

Based on this statement ""I know where I'm going. I know… the people that I'm gonna see. I think I would be afraid of death if I wasn't a good person. But I am", she obviously doesn't understand the Christian stance on Heaven and Hell.

Asking to pray for a woman who is about to die hanging on the hope that "being a good person" is going to save her is "Christian hate"? You want to talk about pain, suffering, and hate? Read Luke 16:19-31. When are you people going to wake up and realize that we are not living in some kind of Kenneth Copeland fantasy land where being a Christian means God gives you a million dollar mansion, 5 new cars, a private jet, and perfect health for 80 years and then you get painlessly transfigured into a perfected body to live with him for eternity. Telling people the truth about their fallen state is going to make people hate you. Jesus already told us that. You know what I believe is going to make them hate you even more than that? When they are standing before God without Christ and remember how you were to afraid to tell them the truth about what was going to happen to them because you didn't want to hurt their feelings.

Jermayn · Nov 30, 2023

dzheremi said:
Geez Louise. She needs prayer because she has cancer and is going through a very tough time with it, not because she's in danger of going to hell according to some random person who doesn't know her who posts on an internet message board.

You mean according to God's word. Try reading John 14:6 and Isaiah 64:6. This woman is about to step into eternity with the hope that being a "good person" will save her and we have several professing Christians here praying that she will have a painless and peaceful death? Really?

dzheremi · Nov 30, 2023

Jermayn said:
You mean according to God's word. Try reading John 14:6 and Isaiah 64:6. This woman is about to step into eternity with the hope that being a "good person" will save her and we have several professing Christians here praying that she will have a painless and peaceful death? Really?

I would want anyone to have a painless and peaceful death. What -- do you want people to suffer and be in pain because they don't follow Christianity properly according to you? That's weird. I don't like that.

public hermit · Nov 30, 2023

Jermayn said:
A few points:

Saying "I believe in God" doesn't save you. James 2:19

She very much did make a theological claim. "I know where I'm going. I know… the people that I'm gonna see. I think I would be afraid of death if I wasn't a good person. But I am."

"Please pray for this woman" was literally the first 5 words of my post.

You are not qualified to assume the condemnation of another person. I take it no one is, but in this case you have so little information. She might very well be able to satisfy your concern if the two of you were to talk in person. Perhaps she could explain that she believes exactly as you do. You simply do not have enough information to reject that possibility. But for some reason, you are hell bent on her everlasting perdition as if it's your prerogative. To be honest, it's weird. I'm wondering what this is really about. Sometimes our judgments about others say more about us than about them.

Tropical Wilds · Nov 30, 2023

Jermayn said:
A few points:

Being raised in a Southern Baptist home doesn't save you. John 3:16

I didn’t say it did. I said it meant that she likely knows what the Christian stance on Heaven and hell is and doesn’t need your assistance in understanding it in relation to her imminent death.

Jermayn said:
Based on this statement ""I know where I'm going. I know… the people that I'm gonna see. I think I would be afraid of death if I wasn't a good person. But I am", she obviously doesn't understand the Christian stance on Heaven and Hell.

So you’re able to distill from one sentence a stranger’s entire religious beliefs and understandings? Because that seems deeply unlikely.

It seems to me she was asked about death and she answered she wasn’t afraid of death or what happens to her after she dies, but still isn’t ready to die. She was not asked a theological question. She was asked a deeply personal question about facing death. I likely would have given a very similar answer; I understand death and when it’s my time, I’ll welcome it and hope for a transition that’s peaceful, I feel confident in what my existence after life will be, but despite all of that, I’d rather not be dying right now.

Jermayn said:
Asking to pray for a woman who is about to die hanging on the hope that "being a good person" is going to save her is "Christian hate"? You want to talk about pain, suffering, and hate? Read Luke 16:19-31. When are you people going to wake up and realize that we are not living in some kind of Kenneth Copeland fantasy land where being a Christian means God gives you a million dollar mansion, 5 new cars, a private jet, and perfect health for 80 years and then you get painlessly transfigured into a perfected body to live with him for eternity. Telling people the truth about their fallen state is going to make people hate you. Jesus already told us that. You know what I believe is going to make them hate you even more than that? When they are standing before God without Christ and remember how you were to afraid to tell them the truth about what was going to happen to them because you didn't want to hurt their feelings.

Telling a terminally ill woman that she’s going to hell because of how she answered an innocuous question is gross.

And I really don’t have such a self-inflated view of myself that I think when anybody stands before God in the hereafter (especially a stranger) they’ll be thinking of me. It’s weird to think that anybody in a similar situation would be regretting not listening to you when the realization they are likely having is actually about God… As it should be.

But then again, I don’t think spirituality is about me being right and getting people to acknowledge my rightness. I think it’s about God. And if there’s a brand of Christianity out there that says telling a terminally ill woman that praying for her peaceful passing is wrong and instead I need to tell her she’s going to hell and browbeat her about how awful her death and existence after will be, that’s not the branch I follow.

d taylor · Nov 30, 2023

Jermayn said:
Please pray for this woman and everyone like here who believes "good people" go to Heaven. It would seem she is on the cusp of eternity without Christ and very close to finding out that Hell is packed full of "good" people. So sad to see so many believe they can work their way into Heaven.

Shannen Doherty's cancer has spread: 'I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to die'

Although her breast cancer continues to spread to other areas of her body, Shannen Doherty is adamant she is not close to death and still has a lot left to do. "I don't want to die," she says.

www.foxnews.com

Not sure being that she was (or may still be) a southern baptist. Did she ever understand that to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. A person must believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

Southern Baptist are bad about having people (especially) when they are youth or child age. Walk an isle or say prayer, etc.. thinking that is the same as believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

So she may have or she may have not (believed in Jesus), either way not talking to her on a personal level. This can not be found out, if she has believed in Jesus for Eternal Life, by reading news stories about her.

ViaCrucis · Nov 30, 2023

dzheremi said:
Geez Louise. She needs prayer because she has cancer and is going through a very tough time with it, not because she's in danger of going to hell according to some random person who doesn't know her who posts on an internet message board.

The passions of the flesh are easiest to justify in ourselves when we dress them up with pious-looking garments.

It's easier to put a decal of a cross on our car than it is to carry one on our back.

-CryptoLutheran

Jermayn · Nov 30, 2023

d taylor said:
Not sure being that she was (or may still be) a southern baptist. Did she ever understand that to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. A person must believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

Southern Baptist are bad about having people (especially) when they are youth or child age. Walk an isle or say prayer, etc.. thinking that is the same as believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

So she may have or she may have not (believed in Jesus), either way not talking to her on a personal level. This can not be found out, if she has believed in Jesus for Eternal Life, by reading news stories about her.

Not sure...and maybe I'm wrong about her, but you have to admit, saying she knows where she's going because she's a good person, rather than because Jesus is her savior, raises huge red flags. I'm hoping she just misspoke or wasn't thinking about what she was saying.

Lukaris · Nov 30, 2023

John 5:22-30; the Lord concludes He will save those who did good. There are many He knows and we do not.

das grosse schwein · Nov 30, 2023

Jermayn said:
Not sure...and maybe I'm wrong about her, but you have to admit, saying she knows where she's going because she's a good person, rather than because Jesus is her savior, raises huge red flags. I'm hoping she just misspoke or wasn't thinking about what she was saying.

Just because she did not use the word "Jesus" anywhere in her conversation does not mean she doesn't loves him and has accepted him as her Lord and Savior. She may have actually spoke of Jesus but the person who wrote that article may just have left that little detail out. She seems confident that she knows God and will live after death. I see no evidence of a New Age religion. Her confidence in her future indicates there is something in her life that has given her that confidence. I pray that it is Jesus.

By the way, I am a spiritual person and I have had conversations about my hopes for the future when I never mentioned the word "Jesus". It doesn't happen often but it does happen. She seems pretty confident. I hope she is right.

ralliann · Nov 30, 2023

What is this a judgment fest? Everyone going against another here.

Jermayn · Nov 30, 2023

Lukaris said:
John 5:22-30; the Lord concludes He will save those who did good. There are many He knows and we do not.

From your own reference: John 5:24: “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Jermayn · Nov 30, 2023

dzheremi said:
I would want anyone to have a painless and peaceful death. What -- do you want people to suffer and be in pain because they don't follow Christianity properly according to you? That's weird. I don't like that.

No one said that, so stop making things up.

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