is israel defending itself out of fear of the palestinians

Aussie Pete · Nov 18, 2023

Ephesians321 said:
So the State of Israel has resurrected the covenant of circumcision and Mosaic Covenant by faithfully observing both but also abrogated the New Covenant and sacrifice of and resurrection of Christ? Feel free to tell that to God yourself.

You are putting words in my mouth. I've not said any of that. I suggest that you read what God's word has to say about Israel and the last days.

Aussie Pete · Nov 18, 2023

honey badger said:
there are trillions of cubic feet of gas just off the coast of Gaza of which the Palestinians are entiteld to 60% of ... as in an estimated $4.592 billion worth ...

Oh good. They can repay the billions provided by the world and siphoned off by Hamas to fund terrorism.

honey badger · Nov 18, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
Oh good. They can repay the billions provided by the world and siphoned off by Hamas to fund terrorism.

not if the zionists have their way and genocide them ...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 18, 2023

honey badger said:
not if the zionists have their way and genocide them ...

genocide Arabs?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 18, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
The Jews first told Pilate that Jesus had broken Jewish law and they didn't have the authority to put anyone to death. They
used the claim of Kingship over Ceasar as a means of getting Pilate to agree in having him put to death.

However, before they brought Jesus to Pilate, the Sanhedrin had a trial and convicted Jesus of blaspheme.
It's their reason why they wanted him dead but sought to have the Romans do it for them.

"Jesus said to him in reply, “You have said so. But I tell you:

From now on you will see ‘the Son of Man
seated at the right hand of the Power’
and ‘coming on the clouds of heaven.’”

Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed! What further need have we of witnesses? You have now heard the blasphemy; what is your opinion?” They said in reply, “He deserves to die!" Matthew 26: 64-66

He could have been stoned, Steven was... "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death". The trial was illegal anyways, it occurred at night.

JimR-OCDS · Nov 19, 2023

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
He could have been stoned, Steven was... "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death". The trial was illegal anyways, it occurred at night.

Stephen was stoned outside of a synagogue, not the temple in Jerusalem. He did not have
the following of people Jesus had and was not drawing large numbers away from the temple.

Also, the Sanhedrin leaders knew that the Romans would come down hard on them if they
carried out their own capital punishment on an innocent man. Also, Jesus had a large enough
following, that to put Jesus to death would turn many people against the Sanhedrin which was their
biggest fear. Jesus was getting to popular and powerful among the people for the Sanhedrin leaders to
handle. They chose to have him put to death by the Romans and brought him to Pilate to have that done.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 19, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
Stephen was stoned outside of a synagogue, not the temple in Jerusalem. He did not have
the following of people Jesus had and was not drawing large numbers away from the temple.

Also, the Sanhedrin leaders knew that the Romans would come down hard on them if they
carried out their own capital punishment on an innocent man. Also, Jesus had a large enough
following, that to put Jesus to death would turn many people against the Sanhedrin which was their
biggest fear. Jesus was getting to popular and powerful among the people for the Sanhedrin leaders to
handle. They chose to have him put to death by the Romans and brought him to Pilate to have that done.

So? They still could have stoned Him. Also, they brought him to the council. But would stoning fulfill prophecy...no

We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” And they stirred up the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came upon him and seized him and brought him before the council, and they set up false witnesses who said, “This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the law, for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses delivered to us.” And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

Danny&Annie&theChristmas · Nov 19, 2023

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
1+1=2, it does not = 11. They are fighting against HAMAS. HAMAS attacked Israel. Hamas does not equal Christ. Who ordered and conducted the crucifixion of Yeshua? Rome.

What happened in those kibbutz is a microcosm of what will happen if all of Israel lays down it's arms.... massacre. If Muslims lay down their arms.....peace. At the time of the massacre Israel had disarmed its populace with strict gun control. Now they know they better arm the people......or else.

JimR-OCDS · Nov 19, 2023

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So? They still could have stoned Him. But would stoning fulfill prophecy...no

The Sanhedrin leaders told Pilate that they didn't have the authority to kill him. Jesus was a Jew and supposedly
only Romans could use capital punishment. Playing politics was very much part of their agenda.

Also, this was in Jerusalem which politically was much stronger than the little town where Stephen was killed.
Stephen was killed after Christ's resurrection and in the early days of Christianity.
There was concern by both Jews and Romans about the new religious movement of Christians, and killing
Christians was not only permitted, but favored. St Paul in Acts was part of the early persecution as he himself
wrote.

If you don't believe that Jesus was not convicted to die by the Sanhedrin leaders for the crime of blaspheme, and
who brought Jesus to the Romans to be killed, then, we have a disagreement.
No offense but I'll follow what the Bible says rather than you.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 19, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
The Sanhedrin leaders told Pilate that they didn't have the authority to kill him. Jesus was a Jew and supposedly
only Romans could use capital punishment. Playing politics was very much part of their agenda.

Also, this was in Jerusalem which politically was much stronger than the little town where Stephen was killed.
Stephen was killed after Christ's resurrection and in the early days of Christianity.
There was concern by both Jews and Romans about the new religious movement of Christians, and killing
Christians was not only permitted, but favored. St Paul in Acts was part of the early persecution as he himself
wrote.

If you don't believe that Jesus was not convicted to die by the Sanhedrin leaders for the crime of blaspheme, and
who brought Jesus to the Romans to be killed, then, we have a disagreement.
No offense but I'll follow what the Bible says rather than you.

Yeah they "said" many things that were not true. I posted the Torah command regarding stoning for you earlier. They brought Stephen in front of the Council in 36AD. "This place" is what in your opinion? They were in Jerusalem. They took him outside of the city and stoned Stephen for blasphemy. He was one of our first deacons and martyrs.

We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” And they stirred up the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came upon him and seized him and brought him before the council, and they set up false witnesses who said, “This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the law, for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses delivered to us.” And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

JimR-OCDS · Nov 19, 2023

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yeah they "said" many things that were not true. I posted the Torah command regarding stoning for you earlier. They brought Stephen in front of the Council in 36AD. "This place" is what in your opinion? They were in Jerusalem. They took him outside of the city and stoned Stephen for blasphemy. He was one of our first deacons and martyrs.

We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” And they stirred up the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came upon him and seized him and brought him before the council, and they set up false witnesses who said, “This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the law, for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses delivered to us.” And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

The Stoning of Stephen

"54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep." Acts 7

They dragged him outside the city. Does this mean anything to you?

They could've dragged Jessus outside of the city too, using your logic.
However, putting Jesus to death for blaspheme, would've been bad politics
for them among the people and the Romans. So, they brought him to the Romans
and pressured Pilate into releasing Barabbas and crucifying Jesus. It's in Scripture,
of which you apparently don't believe the New Testament.

JimR-OCDS · Nov 19, 2023

Bold is my emphasis.

"Once more Pilate went out and said to them, “Look, I am bringing him out to you, so that you may know that I find no guilt in him.
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple cloak. And he said to them, “Behold, the man!”

When the chief priests and the guards saw him they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him. I find no guilt in him.”

The Jews answered, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.”" Blaspheme.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 19, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
They dragged him outside the city. Does this mean anything to you?

They could've dragged Jessus outside of the city too, using your logic.
However, putting Jesus to death for blaspheme, would've been bad politics
for them among the people and the Romans. So, they brought him to the Romans
and pressured Pilate into releasing Barabbas and crucifying Jesus. It's in Scripture,
of which you apparently don't believe the New Testament.

Yes, that is what I said. Yes, they could have stoned Him. YOU said Stephen was killed outside a synagogue. He was killed outside the City...JERUSALEM.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 19, 2023

JimR-OCDS said:
Bold is my emphasis.

"Once more Pilate went out and said to them, “Look, I am bringing him out to you, so that you may know that I find no guilt in him.
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple cloak. And he said to them, “Behold, the man!”

When the chief priests and the guards saw him they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him. I find no guilt in him.”

The Jews answered, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.”" Blaspheme.

Why do you keep repeating what I have already said? I gave you that law. Like I said, He could have been stoned. But it would not have fulfilled prophecy...

Aussie Pete · Nov 23, 2023

honey badger said:
not if the zionists have their way and genocide them ...

What an ignorant comment. Who started this war? The Arabs states tried to erase Israel from the moment independence was declared. Who has been saying "from the river to the sea"? Arabs, aka Palestinians, and their supporters. The only people seeking genocide are the Arabs. How many Muslim nations accept Israel's right to exist? You should do some research before making such an absurd comment.

Aussie Pete · Nov 23, 2023

Ephesians321 said:
And I am telling you proper Biblical Israel with a covenant with God were the last days it met permanent destruction in A.D. 70 just as Jesus predicted. The State of Israel is just in name only and name alone. The State of Israel does not have the required covenant of circumcision and Mosaic Covenant in order to be in a covenant with God. Both Covenants do not exist anymore. It might as well call itself the State of Canaan it would have the same prophetic significance.

Not true. The nation of Israel ceased to exist in about AD 135. God promised to restore the nation of Israel. The Arab world has been trying to destroy Israel ever since May 1948. Only Egypt has made peace - as prophesied. Try getting at least your facts right before commenting. Israel exists at God's command. No, it is not Christian. It is a secular state. It is not a state in name only. It is legally constituted. Apart from any religious issues, Israel has the right to defend itself. It is the only democracy in the Middle East, the only nation that has equal rights for all citizens, even Muslim Arabs and is one of the most successful nations socially, economically and militarily. You need to get your theology straight.

Aussie Pete · Nov 23, 2023

Ephesians321 said:
When is Christianity especially our Christian Zionist and Dispensationalist brethren going to wake up, the land promises were absolutely conditional upon the Covenant of Circumcision and the Mosaic Covenant. Without these two covenants being active and alive, Jews have no claim to the land at all. Well guess what? Christ removed both covenants because Christ is Israel and the church is the Israel of God. The State of Israel is not going to bring Christ back. "Second Coming" is not even written in the Bible, did you know parousia has been mistranslated in the English Bibles it does not mean "coming" it properly means "presence"?

Guess what. Israel exists, legally and against all the opposition of demon possessed Muslims who hate God and hate His people. Much prophecy is meaningless if there is no state of Israel. I don't know where you get your ideas from, but it is not the Bible.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 23, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
What an ignorant comment. Who started this war? The Arabs states tried to erase Israel from the moment independence was declared. Who has been saying "from the river to the sea"? Arabs, aka Palestinians, and their supporters. The only people seeking genocide are the Arabs. How many Muslim nations accept Israel's right to exist? You should do some research before making such an absurd comment.

I always say "from the rive to the sea, Israel will always be!"

Reasonably Sane · Nov 23, 2023

The elephant in the room: It's not Hamas. It's not "palestinians". It's Islam. As long as it is a "minority" belief in your country, it's fine. But when they get power, watch out.

Aussie Pete · Nov 23, 2023

Ephesians321 said:
What makes you think the State of Israel is God's people?

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