Can an infant at death ever be condemned?

RileyG · Nov 13, 2023

GoldenKingGaze said:
Catholics believe that when parents decide on their infants baptism, and have it done, that the baby receives Christ. Otherwise if he or she dies, the old teaching was they end up in Limbo. But the current beliefs are different, and assume automatic salvation of babies.

Limbo was never official doctrine of the Church.

RileyG · Nov 13, 2023

They are in the hands of God.

I accept infant Baptism.

GoldenKingGaze · Nov 14, 2023

RileyG said:
Limbo was never official doctrine of the Church.

No, but some of us were taught that in the RCC in the 70s. Also I used to pray the Rosary for the aborted. The painting on the pamphlet was of Mother Mary with dirty fingernails and a fetus in her hand. 1991. Now the RCC teaches infants always obtain life. True?

RileyG · Nov 14, 2023

GoldenKingGaze said:
No, but some of us were taught that in the RCC in the 70s. Also I used to pray the Rosary for the aborted. The painting on the pamphlet was of Mother Mary with dirty fingernails and a fetus in her hand. 1991. Now the RCC teaches infants always obtain life. True?

Essentially, we commend them to the mercy of God.

eleos1954 · Nov 14, 2023

GoldenKingGaze said:
Catholics believe that when parents decide on their infants baptism, and have it done, that the baby receives Christ. Otherwise if he or she dies, the old teaching was they end up in Limbo. But the current beliefs are different, and assume automatic salvation of babie

well that isn't what the bible teaches .... one must confess their sin and turn away from it .... a baby has no knowledge of what sin is. The "assumption" is by the Catholics, they believe of an "immortal soul" (therefore a "Limbo") ..... we are mortal ... we die an earthly death and are dormant in the grave until resurrection.

RileyG · Nov 14, 2023

eleos1954 said:
well that isn't what the bible teaches .... one must confess their sin and turn away from it .... a baby has no knowledge of what sin is. The "assumption" is by the Catholics, they believe of an "immortal soul" (therefore a "Limbo") ..... we are mortal ... we die an earthly death and are dormant in the grave until resurrection.

Are you SDA? Most Christian do not accept soul sleep or soul mortality.

Blessings

GoldenKingGaze · Nov 14, 2023

eleos1954 said:
well that isn't what the bible teaches .... one must confess their sin and turn away from it .... a baby has no knowledge of what sin is. The "assumption" is by the Catholics, they believe of an "immortal soul" (therefore a "Limbo") ..... we are mortal ... we die an earthly death and are dormant in the grave until resurrection.

There are Bible verses in which Jesus preaches to the antediluvian souls in Hell. He agrees more with the Pharisees than the Saducees on afterlife matters. YHWH is God of the living, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... the two witnesses, the 24 elders, and Lazarus is portrayed with Abraham in paradise at the initial time the Gospel was pronounced. Now the gates of Heaven are open and there they are.

In NDEs, people have seen many infants being raised in Heaven.

St_Worm2 · Nov 14, 2023

GoldenKingGaze said:
In NDEs, people have seen many infants being raised in Heaven.

Hello GoldenKingGaze, I've never heard that claim before. Interesting! Of course, I don't give NDE's much more credence (if any) than I would give to simple conjecture. We'll know when we get there (or as one of my friends used to say, "die and learn")

--David

GoldenKingGaze · Nov 14, 2023

St_Worm2 said:
Hello GoldenKingGaze, I've never heard that claim before. Interesting! Of course, I don't give NDE's much more credence (if any) than I would give to simple conjecture. We'll know when we get there (or as one of my friends used to say, "die and learn")

--David

I'd say NDEs are testimonial. 1 in 20 people have had one. There are organizations that document them. They can be deceptive.

Valletta · Nov 20, 2023

GoldenKingGaze said:
No, but some of us were taught that in the RCC in the 70s. Also I used to pray the Rosary for the aborted. The painting on the pamphlet was of Mother Mary with dirty fingernails and a fetus in her hand. 1991. Now the RCC teaches infants always obtain life. True?

This is one of the problems when you have over a billion Catholics. That is why the Catholic Church uses a catechism. Theologians speculate as to things such as Limbo, and it is important to differentiate theological speculation from dogma. We don't know what happens to infants who die without Baptism, but we can trust in the mercy of God.

GoldenKingGaze · Nov 23, 2023

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Can an infant at death ever be condemned?

Can an infant or a fetus who passes away, ever be lost in eternity?

Yes all are.

Yes, unless they are baptized.

Yes, God looks into their future and sees if they would be sinners.

Yes, God simply chooses some to be sinners giving them the negative predestiny.

Yes, some of them reject God from their mother's wombs. God cannot reach them. They are cursed.

Yes, unless they are interceded for.

No they are innocent, this gives them right of passage.

No, they naturally trust God and Jesus' blood begins to perfect them automaticly.

No, if God gave us the Christ crucified, how much more all other things.

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