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Who's idea was it to disburse immigrants all over the U.S.?

Do you believe open borders are a good thing for the country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • No

    Votes: 27 73.0%
  • I can see a financial benefit

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • It's humanitarian

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • It shoves the citizens aside.

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • We are a country of immigrant's

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • The more the merrier.

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • It will be a struggle for everyone.

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • I don't care about it.

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • It will end in a takeover.

    Votes: 4 10.8%

  • Total voters
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Your wife can apply for citizenship after just three years of receiving her green card, as long as she has lived with you the entire time and has been in the US for at least 18 months. Also, your wife and children don't have to become citizens to receive government benefits. Having a green card will allow them to be eligible. The waiting period for your wife to receive most government benefits that are available would be 5 years. Children under 18 have no waiting period and are eligible once they receive their green cards.
Not according to what’s written in the affidavit of support.
 
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Not according to what’s written in the affidavit of support.
The affidavit of support only mentions that the sponsor's income and assets may be used to determine if the immigrant is eligible for benefits and that the government may seek repayment for benefits that are paid to the immigrant. It doesn't say that the immigrant is ineligible to receive benefits. It also uses the word "may", which means the agency providing benefits might not use the sponsor's income to determine eligibility or seek reimbursement if the immigrant is approved to receive benefits.

There's definitely not a 10-year waiting period for immigrants with green cards to receive most benefits. There's no waiting period for children and only a five-year waiting period for adults, unless the adult becomes a citizen; in that case, they become eligible for benefits in as little as three years if they are the spouse of a US citizen.

Once a sponsored immigrant becomes a citizen, their sponsor's obligations end, and they no longer need to be concerned as to whether or not they will be asked to reimburse the government for any benefits the immigrant may receive.
 
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The affidavit of support only mentions that the sponsor's income and assets may be used to determine if the immigrant is eligible for benefits and that the government may seek repayment for benefits that are paid to the immigrant. It doesn't say that the immigrant is ineligible to receive benefits. It also uses the word "may", which means the agency providing benefits might not use the sponsor's income to determine eligibility or seek reimbursement if the immigrant is approved to receive benefits.

There's definitely not a 10-year waiting period for immigrants with green cards to receive most benefits. There's no waiting period for children and only a five-year waiting period for adults, unless the adult becomes a citizen; in that case, they become eligible for benefits in as little as three years if they are the spouse of a US citizen.

Once a sponsored immigrant becomes a citizen, their sponsor's obligations end, and they no longer need to be concerned as to whether or not they will be asked to reimburse the government for any benefits the immigrant may receive.
It says the sponsor may be sued in court for any benefits received by the person they are sponsoring. The word “may” doesn’t mean might it means you can be sued in court. The whole purpose of the affidavit of support is to ensure that immigrants aren’t coming into the country and becoming a financial burden on the government. That’s why they check the sponsors income for the last 3 years, assets, and bank statements. If you don’t earn enough money to support them they’ll deny your visa application.

Most family-based immigrants and some employment-based immigrants use this form to show they have adequate means of financial support and are not likely to rely on the U.S. government for financial support.

 
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It says the sponsor may be sued in court for any benefits received by the person they are sponsoring. The word “may” doesn’t mean might it means you can be sued in court.
May, might and can mean the same thing in this case. It doesn’t matter which word you use, they each indicate that there's a possibility, but no guarantee, that the sponsor will have to repay any benefits or be sued for any received by the immigrant they sponsored.

The whole purpose of the affidavit of support is to ensure that immigrants aren’t coming into the country and becoming a financial burden on the government. That’s why they check the sponsors income for the last 3 years, assets, and bank statements. If you don’t earn enough money to support them they’ll deny your visa application.
This is true, but it doesn't prevent sponsored immigrants from applying for and receiving government benefits if they are elligible or automatically result in their sponsor having to repay those benefits if they do.
 
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The fake news media is too busy protecting the Biden administration regime in order to worry about reporting on the mass illegal immigration invasion at our southern border. It's painfully obvious by now that our MSM has been compromised.
 
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There are many jobs that immigrants do that many US citizens don't want to do.

The solution is to have an expanded guest-worker program for industries such as agriculture. However, selling that politically is difficult, because both the Republicans and Democrats in the US prefer to treat immigration as a political football.
 
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I think we should streamline the process to accept more immigrants into the US, but I also think having open borders is foolish. The threat of criminals coming over is real, even if most immigrants aren't criminals. We have laws, human rights, resources, and citizens to protect. Xenophobia isn't the answer, but neither is anarchy.
 
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I think we should streamline the process to accept more immigrants into the US, but I also think having open borders is foolish. The threat of criminals coming over is real, even if most immigrants aren't criminals. We have laws, human rights, resources, and citizens to protect. Xenophobia isn't the answer, but neither is anarchy.
I think that's the thing that frustrates most people. Neither side is really trying to make any changes in the process. The question is do we secure the border first? That's been the bone of contention along with how to secure it.
 
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The responses here sadden my heart. The vast majority of those at the border are our brothers and sisters in Christ.. How can you deny them for this corrupt nation of men when we share the kingdom of God?


“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
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There is a lawn service in FL where I was from, and every year they brought folk over from Mexico, to work for 9 months. They were given a place to stay which came out of their pay, and at the end of the time, they went back. It helped the company because alot of folk don't like to work out in the sun, and it helped the workers because they were able to make money here to take home. The workers were vetted before coming. I thought it was a great thing.
 
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There is a lawn service in FL where I was from, and every year they brought folk over from Mexico, to work for 9 months. They were given a place to stay which came out of their pay, and at the end of the time, they went back. It helped the company because alot of folk don't like to work out in the sun, and it helped the workers because they were able to make money here to take home. The workers were vetted before coming. I thought it was a great thing.
So rather than raising wages to the point where locals would do the job they had the government place their thumb on the scale to get them cheaper more easily exploited workers.
 
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So rather than raising wages to the point where locals would do the job they had the government place their thumb on the scale to get them cheaper more easily exploited workers.
Nope. I am talking about manual labor jobs that some folk just don't want to do. Those workers from Mexico don't feel exploited at all. they make more money here, and are able to go home from about Nov till Spring. Lovely. I don't see a problem. I don't think folk should sit around jobless until they find a pay they are happy about. I sure couldn't do that when i was raising my kids. I worked where I could.
 
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Yes, the government helped them keep their labor costs low by importing cheaper labor.

I am talking about manual labor jobs that some folk just don't want to do.

*don’t want to do for the pay offered.

Those workers from Mexico don't feel exploited at all. they make more money here, and are able to go home from about Nov till Spring. Lovely. I don't see a problem.

You see no problem with the government creating downward pressure on wages?

I don't think folk should sit around jobless until they find a pay they are happy about.

I don’t think employers should be able to go crying to the government when economic forces start to favor workers.
 
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Open immigration is the only remediation known to man for societal aging in industrialized nations. Without immigrants we will face similar issues that China is with a lopsided age range where there are more retirees than working age adults.

Furthermore its the Christ like thing to do. How is it christ like to deny our brothers and sisters in Christ at the border because they were born below it? Why are you putting this nation of men above the Kingdom of God?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
 
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The problems of aging developed nations can be solved without massive immigration:

One (unpopular) way is returning the old-fashioned reason why to have multiple children and strong families - no retirement paid by state. The difficulties of governments to finance (more and longer) retirements is one of the main reasons for proposing immigration.

Another one is automation.

New immigrants will not be coming forever, and will not have many children forever, its not a sustainable economic model. As more and more of the world will develop and industrialize, this source will dry out anyway.

Immigrants are a temporary solution when your own society is imploding and not functioning anymore and some other country is underdeveloped, but overpopulated.
However, such immigration must be effective (skilled working or passive income people who accept the culture and authorities of their new country) or else the social situation will be worse than without immigration, like we can see in many countries.

It must also be steady, not in massive pulses. It must also be official, not illegal. Or else thousands of people will lie on streets, asking for food and shelter.

Saying it must not be illegal, we must also add that the legal way must be very easy and quick, for good people. The current complicated bureaucratic systems and requirements created in the 20th century are terrible, out of time and against mobility. It encourages those who do not care about rules and discourages those who do. If illegal immigrants who "just came" are tolerated, why to even go through long, expensive and complicated process of legal immigration with uncertain outcome?

When some countries are culturally very similar (like the EU, USA, Canada), open borders can work and I see no reason for visas or other kind of restrictions. And such block can accept more and more free-movement countries as they will get compatible enough, according to the example of the EU.
 
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So rather than raising wages to the point where locals would do the job they had the government place their thumb on the scale to get them cheaper more easily exploited workers.

There's an easy way to fix that:

Higher minimum wage.


The problems of aging developed nations can be solved without massive immigration:

One (unpopular) way is returning the old-fashioned reason why to have multiple children and strong families - no retirement paid by state. The difficulties of governments to finance (more and longer) retirements is one of the main reasons for proposing immigration.

huh? How is that supposed to work?

Virtually nobody bases their family planning on whether they'll have somebody to take care of them when they're old. Most of the concerns are about finances and career development now. If anything, in your proposal, the incentives would work in the opposite direction (i.e. the direction in which they're already working): because kids are so expensive, shoring up your retirement would warrant saving more money earlier and delaying parenthood even more.

If you want people to have more kids, you have to make taking care of those kids cheaper and easier. If you want more people to get married and stay married, you have to make people more economically stable, not less. This would entail a stronger social safety net, not a weaker one.

Another one is automation.

Many labor-intensive service sector jobs like those in nursing homes are going to be very difficult to automate.


New immigrants will not be coming forever, and will not have many children forever, its not a sustainable economic model. As more and more of the world will develop and industrialize, this source will dry out anyway.

Immigrants are a temporary solution when your own society is imploding and not functioning anymore and some other country is underdeveloped, but overpopulated.

Sure, it's not a solution long-term, but "long-term" here is likely on the order of a century or more. That's a lot of time to buy for figuring out other solutions.


It must also be steady, not in massive pulses. It must also be official, not illegal. Or else thousands of people will lie on streets, asking for food and shelter.

Saying it must not be illegal, we must also add that the legal way must be very easy and quick, for good people. The current complicated bureaucratic systems and requirements created in the 20th century are terrible, out of time and against mobility. It encourages those who do not care about rules and discourages those who do. If illegal immigrants who "just came" are tolerated, why to even go through long, expensive and complicated process of legal immigration with uncertain outcome?
On that, I agree.
 
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Sure, it's not a solution long-term, but "long-term" here is likely on the order of a century or more. That's a lot of time to buy for figuring out other solutions.
What are other solutions than automation or motivation to have more own children? Even hypothetically. Aging reversal, maybe?

BTW, you do not need a nursing home if you have your own children. There were no nursing homes till relatively recently. And there are still none in not so developed countries.

The need for commercial (or provided by state) nursing is a combination of industrialized individualism and of deteriorating health span in the same countries (old people there need a lot of help).
 
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