The Kingdom Age

Diamond72 · Sep 4, 2023

As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

trophy33 · Sep 4, 2023

Diamond7 said:
As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

Where does the Bible say that church and kingdom of God are two different things?

Marilyn C · Sep 4, 2023

myst33 said:
Where does the Bible say that church and kingdom of God are two different things?

The earth is the Lord`s and all its fullness, the world and those who dwell therein. `Ps. 24: 1)

God made it all and never gave it away. It is rebellious rulership that He is dealing with. The kingdom of God is His rulership over all now and in the future with Christ ruling from His own throne with His body, (Church).(Rev. 3: 21)

Marilyn C · Sep 4, 2023

Diamond7 said:
As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

The kingdom/rulership that is in the millennium is Christ ruling through Israel over the nations of the earth. Christ rules from His seat of power and authority in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

HTacianas · Sep 4, 2023

Diamond7 said:
As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

The "transition" will be a lot like the transition from the old covenant to the new covenant.

trophy33 · Sep 4, 2023

Marilyn C said:
The earth is the Lord`s and all its fullness, the world and those who dwell therein. `Ps. 24: 1)

God made it all and never gave it away. It is rebellious rulership that He is dealing with. The kingdom of God is His rulership over all now and in the future with Christ ruling from His own throne with His body, (Church).(Rev. 3: 21)

The kingdom of heaven is like a seed that grows into a huge tree. Like a yeast that goes in time through the whole dough.

I still see no evidence its something else than church/Christianity.

Maria Billingsley · Sep 4, 2023

Diamond7 said:
As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

As a Dispensationalist there are a lot of dots to connect and some of them are broken leaving Christians, like yourself, to question its teachings. God is not the author of confusion. Consider what Christians believed before John Nelson Darby invented this theological view. It is very good to seek out truth by reading scripture and not to read into it things that are not there.
. Blessings.

Diamond72 · Sep 4, 2023

Maria Billingsley said:
to question its teachings.

I do not question anything at all. The Bible clearly says 1000 years is a day. The Bible does not say one day is 5 billion years. Yet most people accept that the Earth is indeed very old. Even 14 billion years old.

Maria Billingsley said:
Consider what Christians believed before John Nelson Darby invented this theological view.

Interesting that he lived 200 years ago and you still know his name today? That would be about the time of your great great grandfather. Do you know what his name was? A person you are descended from?

Diamond72 · Sep 4, 2023

Maria Billingsley said:
It is very good to seek out truth by reading scripture and not to read into it things that are not there.

I have read the Bible 7 times. I did not trust anyone at first. It was just me, the Bible and the Holy Spirit of God to guide me and lead me in my studies. Yet it is a common practice to attend a church and listen to sermons. The Bible does say we are to fellowship with others and not just go off by ourselves the way you suggest.

Diamond72 · Sep 4, 2023

HTacianas said:
The "transition" will be a lot like the transition from the old covenant to the new covenant.

So do you mean the kingdom age will be a new covenant? There is talk about the Bride of Christ, without spot, blemish or wrinkle.

Maria Billingsley · Sep 4, 2023

Diamond7 said:
I do not question anything at all. The Bible clearly says 1000 years is a day. The Bible does not say one day is 5 billion years. Yet most people accept that the Earth is indeed very old. Even 14 billion years old.

Interesting that he lived 200 years ago and you still know his name today? That would be about the time of your great great grandfather. Do you know what his name was? A person you are descended from?

John Nelson Darby invented Dispensational Futurism.

John Nelson Darby - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not sure what that has to do with my great, great grandfather. Thanks for engaging.

Be blessed.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 4, 2023

Maria Billingsley said:
Consider what Christians believed before John Nelson Darby invented this theological view. It is very good to seek out truth by reading scripture and not to read into it things that are not there.
. Blessings.

Who told you about Darby?

Douggg · Sep 4, 2023

Diamond7 said:
As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years.

I am not a dispensationalist, but that sounds reasonable.

Diamond7 said:
What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way

Jesus will physically return at the end of the 7 years.

Diamond72 · Sep 4, 2023

Douggg said:
Jesus will physically return at the end of the 7 years.

Just who is going to rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. In Rev 20 we are told about a first resurrection.

"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also, I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."

In this passage, the "first resurrection" refers to the raising to life of believers who have been faithful to Jesus Christ. It is described as occurring before the "thousand-year" reign of Christ, often referred to as the "millennium" in Christian eschatology (the study of end times). Those who take part in the first resurrection are depicted as reigning with Christ during this period.

The interpretation of the first resurrection is a topic of theological debate within Christian eschatology, with different traditions and denominations holding varying views. Some interpret it as a literal resurrection of believers before a literal thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth, while others see it as a symbolic or figurative description of the blessings and rewards for faithful believers in the afterlife.

Marilyn C · Sep 4, 2023

dfw69 · Sep 4, 2023

Marilyn C said:
The kingdom/rulership that is in the millennium is Christ ruling through Israel over the nations of the earth. Christ rules from His seat of power and authority in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

Jesus returns to earth to establish His kingdom and the millennium . His physical presence will be as when He came the first time to them to establish the kingdom and gather the elect

Anything less is a false messianic age

Maria Billingsley · Sep 4, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Who told you about Darby?

No-one in particular, just a lot of research.
Blessings.

Marilyn C · Sep 4, 2023

dfw69 said:
Jesus returns to earth to establish His kingdom and the millennium . His physical presence will be as when He came the first time to them to establish the kingdom and gather the elect

Anything less is a false messianic age

I agree. However, the Lord returns (Ps. 47: 5) to heaven and rules from His seat of power and authority overall.

God the Father `seated Him (Jesus) at His right hand in the heavenly places FAR ABOVE ALL principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE BUT ALSO IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME.` (Eph. 1: 21 & 21)

dfw69 · Sep 4, 2023

Marilyn C said:
I agree. However, the Lord returns (Ps. 47: 5) to heaven and rules from His seat of power and authority overall.

God the Father `seated Him (Jesus) at His right hand in the heavenly places FAR ABOVE ALL principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE BUT ALSO IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME.` (Eph. 1: 21 & 21)

I have to disagree that He comes down sets up a Kingdom then return back to sit in heaven and rule from there …. He can be above all by putting down all powers that currently exist and yet rule from the throne of the house of David on earth for the entire 1000 years

Men will be able to visit the Son of God and behold His splendor like when others beheld Solomon glory in the days of Solomon

Men will be able to speak with Him and behold His love wisdom judgment grace mercy favor blessings power and wonders as when He first walked the earth

Don’t expect no less from the Son of God reigning on earth

Marilyn C · Sep 5, 2023

dfw69 said:
I have to disagree that He comes down sets up a Kingdom then return back to sit in heaven and rule from there …. He can be above all by putting down all powers that currently exist and yet rule from the throne of the house of David on earth for the entire 1000 years

Men will be able to visit the Son of God and behold His splendor like when others beheld Solomon glory in the days of Solomon

Men will be able to speak with Him and behold His love wisdom judgment grace mercy favor blessings power and wonders as when He first walked the earth

Don’t expect no less from the Son of God reigning on earth

And scriptures for those thoughts please?

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