Let's organize

Douggg · Aug 29, 2023

Without trying to argue over which view is correct, let's try to organize the different views regarding the Antichrist. And if you want, let me know which view you hold. And I will update this opening post, to add your name. I placed my name under Futurist, the Antichrist will be a Jew. If you can think of some descriptor we should include in the list that maybe I missed, let me know.

Partial Preterist -

a. Nero was the Antichrist

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist
eleos1954

Futurist -

a. the Antichrist will be a Jew.
Douggg

b. the Antichrist will be a Muslim.

c. the Antichrist will not be a Jew, but a world leader

d. the Antichrist will be a former Christian

e. the Antichrist will be a nephilim, with a Jewish mother
Handmaid for Jesus

Handmaid for Jesus · Aug 29, 2023

I am a futurist. I believe the Antichrist will be a nephilim,seed of the serpent with a Jewish mother.

dwb001 · Aug 29, 2023

A compelling case for a person of interest is made by the book/videos "The Antichrist and a cup of tea".

Douggg · Aug 29, 2023

dwb001 said:
A compelling case for a person of interest is made by the book/videos "The Antichrist and a cup of tea".

So would you like for me to put your name under "c. the Antichrist will not be Jew, but a world leader" ?

dwb001 · Aug 29, 2023

Douggg said:
So would you like for me to put your name under "c. the Antichrist will not be Jew, but a world leader" ?

I have no opinion on the Antichrist as it is not my problem.
I am in a different geographic location as to where the AC will be.
I have a totally different set of issues to deal with.

The Hour IS AT HAND · Aug 29, 2023

First we must understand that there is a spirit of anti-christ, as well as anyone rejecting Jesus is anti-christ, as well as in the last days there will be the ultimate embodiment of antichrist in one man.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

eleos1954 · Aug 29, 2023

Douggg said:
Without trying to argue over which view is correct, let's try to organize the different views regarding the Antichrist. And if you want, let me know which view you hold. And I will update this opening post, to add your name. I placed my name under Futurist, the Antichrist will be a Jew. If you can think of some descriptor we should include in the list that maybe I missed, let me know.

Partial Preterist -

a. Nero was the Antichrist

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist

Futurist -

a. the Antichrist will be a Jew.
Douggg

b. the Antichrist will be a Muslim.

c. the Antichrist will not be a Jew, but a world leader

d. the Antichrist will be a former Christian

e. the Antichrist will be a nephilim, with a Jewish mother
Handmaid for Jesus

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist
eleos1954

2PhiloVoid · Aug 29, 2023

Douggg said:
Without trying to argue over which view is correct, let's try to organize the different views regarding the Antichrist. And if you want, let me know which view you hold. And I will update this opening post, to add your name. I placed my name under Futurist, the Antichrist will be a Jew. If you can think of some descriptor we should include in the list that maybe I missed, let me know.

Partial Preterist -

a. Nero was the Antichrist

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist

Futurist -

a. the Antichrist will be a Jew.
Douggg

b. the Antichrist will be a Muslim.

c. the Antichrist will not be a Jew, but a world leader

d. the Antichrist will be a former Christian

e. the Antichrist will be a nephilim, with a Jewish mother
Handmaid for Jesus

For whatever it's worth----and it might not be worth much for me to say so---- I interpret the first Beast as the "sum total" of the European peoples who've emerged out of the old Roman Empire over the last couple of millennia.

I guess this fits a kind of 'pre-millennial' scheme, but I'm not going to stake my life on it.

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 29, 2023

How about an Archetype view? The Antichrist is more a recurring symbol or motif and less a specific historical person. The Antichrist is the antithesis of all that is good and virtuous. It can be a mentality, a disposition, a worldview, an attitude, etc

David Kent · Aug 29, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I am a futurist. I believe the Antichrist will be a nephilim,seed of the serpent with a Jewish mother.

So he will be half human and half dinosaur?

David Kent · Aug 29, 2023

Douggg said:
Without trying to argue over which view is correct, let's try to organize the different views regarding the Antichrist. And if you want, let me know which view you hold. And I will update this opening post, to add your name. I placed my name under Futurist, the Antichrist will be a Jew. If you can think of some descriptor we should include in the list that maybe I missed, let me know.

Partial Preterist -

a. Nero was the Antichrist

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist
eleos1954

Futurist -

a. the Antichrist will be a Jew.
Douggg

b. the Antichrist will be a Muslim.

c. the Antichrist will not be a Jew, but a world leader

d. the Antichrist will be a former Christian

e. the Antichrist will be a nephilim, with a Jewish mother
Handmaid for Jesus

Preterists don't all believe that Nero is antichrist. Some believe that antichrist was an unknown leader of the Jewish uprising. Not surprisingly they were both, preterists and futurists, started by the Jesuits, as part of the counter reformation.

Preterists and Futurists both deny that Revelation refers to the church and that the scripture has nothing to say to the church in all its tribulations.

Jonathan Edward's said the scripture has the whole history of the world from Genesis to Revelation. Historicism or more correctly Continual Historicism teaches just that. The Revelation is a history of the church and its struggles and tribulation. It has supported the martyrs throughout the centuries. It is also a continuation of what the early church writers wrote. It has continued since then.

The reason there is little tribulation in the west is because of the spread of futurism in the last century.

David Kent · Aug 30, 2023

Douggg said:
Without trying to argue over which view is correct, let's try to organize the different views regarding the Antichrist. And if you want, let me know which view you hold. And I will update this opening post, to add your name. I placed my name under Futurist, the Antichrist will be a Jew. If you can think of some descriptor we should include in the list that maybe I missed, let me know.

Partial Preterist -

a. Nero was the Antichrist

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist
eleos1954

Futurist -

a. the Antichrist will be a Jew.
Douggg

b. the Antichrist will be a Muslim.

c. the Antichrist will not be a Jew, but a world leader

d. the Antichrist will be a former Christian

e. the Antichrist will be a nephilim, with a Jewish mother
Handmaid for Jesus

You omitted the "Spiritual view" and the 7 parallel visions view.

Douggg · Aug 30, 2023

David Kent said:
You omitted the "Spiritual view" and the 7 parallel visions view.

Explain.

David Kent · Aug 30, 2023

Douggg said:
Explain.

Spiritual view, I am not sure exactly, but I believe it i that it only gives spiritual teaching and not prophecy. My previous pastor seemed to teach that. I never heard him preach on Revelstion, but he did have a book printed of each of his sermon notes. Revelation was before we moved here. I found it hard to understand what he believed from that, he didnt say anything about the prophecies, just referred to similar scriptures elsewhere. He did say that Mystery Babylon the Great was literal Babylon. Babylon was not a mystery, its idolatrous practices were open, Mystety Babylon is not open but has a veneer of Christianity.

Seven parallel is what my present pastor believes. I think
it is based on the teaching of Hendriksen. It teaches that there are seven parallel visions, each covering the whole period from the new testament times, till Glory. Our present pastor believes that and I only heard him preach on Revelation once when he mentioned that was one of the parallel visions. He believes the Babylon is the world system or something like that. I knew another pastor who taught that, and when I said I thought a certain prophecy referred to something, I cant remember what, he said prophecy is not that specific. I expect the seven churches would be one of the parallels

I think that many Baptist and some evangelical churches round here teach that system. I do not include general Baptists as I have no idea what they teach.

Personally I was in the Brethren and they of course taught dispensationalism.

Douggg · Aug 30, 2023

David Kent said:
Spiritual view, I am not sure exactly, but I believe it i that it only gives spiritual teaching and not prophecy. My previous pastor seemed to teach that. I never heard him preach on Revelstion, but he did have a book printed of each of his sermon notes. Revelation was before we moved here. I found it hard to understand what he believed from that, he didnt say anything about the prophecies, just referred to similar scriptures elsewhere. He did say that Mystery Babylon the Great was literal Babylon. Babylon was not a mystery, its idolatrous practices were open, Mystety Babylon is not open but has a veneer of Christianity.

Seven parallel is what my present pastor believes. I think
it is based on the teaching of Hendriksen. It teaches that there are seven parallel visions, each covering the whole period from the new testament times, till Glory. Our present pastor believes that and I only heard him preach on Revelation once when he mentioned that was one of the parallel visions. He believes the Babylon is the world system or something like that. I knew another pastor who taught that, and when I said I thought a certain prophecy referred to something, I cant remember what, he said prophecy is not that specific. I expect the seven churches would be one of the parallels

I think that many Baptist and some evangelical churches round here teach that system. I do not include general Baptists as I have no idea what they teach.

Personally I was in the Brethren and they of course taught dispensationalism.

The thread's intent is to organize according to different eschatological views regarding the Antichrist. Not eschatology in general.

David Kent · Aug 31, 2023

Douggg said:
The thread's intent is to organize according to different eschatological views regarding the Antichrist. Not eschatology in general.

OK. But historicism and preterism do not consider Antichrist eschatological, except that historicism considers antichrist to continue from the break up of the empire into 10 horns in the 5th century till the judgement. Bother the two pastors I mentioned consider Antichrist to be future. My pastor says the Pope is an Antichrist but not the final. I believe, both.

Jesuits taught that Antichrist would be a future Pope.

David Kent · Aug 31, 2023

David Kent said:
So he will be half human and half dinosaur?

Satan was the serpent, that old dragon. Before the fall serpents did not crawl on the ground, that was the serpents punishment.
Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

Dinosaurs all walked on legs off the ground and every serpent and reptile when they have legs still crawl on the ground. Even evolutionists teach that alligators are evolved from dinosaurs.

Nuff sed.

Spiritual Jew · Aug 31, 2023

Douggg said:
Without trying to argue over which view is correct, let's try to organize the different views regarding the Antichrist. And if you want, let me know which view you hold. And I will update this opening post, to add your name. I placed my name under Futurist, the Antichrist will be a Jew. If you can think of some descriptor we should include in the list that maybe I missed, let me know.

Partial Preterist -

a. Nero was the Antichrist

Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist
eleos1954

Futurist -

a. the Antichrist will be a Jew.
Douggg

b. the Antichrist will be a Muslim.

c. the Antichrist will not be a Jew, but a world leader

d. the Antichrist will be a former Christian

e. the Antichrist will be a nephilim, with a Jewish mother
Handmaid for Jesus

Where is the option for not believing there was or will be any individual Antichrist?

Douggg · Aug 31, 2023

Spiritual Jew said:
Where is the option for not believing there was or will be any individual Antichrist?

Probably in a thread you start....

Did you just wake up from a long nap? You have made several posts in the last thirty minutes or so....after a period of silence.

Douggg · Aug 31, 2023

eleos1954 said:
Historist -

a. the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist
eleos1954

Thanks, eleos1954. I wish everyone would be just as straight forward as you presented you reply.

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