Biden pushing for new Covid vaccine. Will you take it

Always in His Presence · Aug 27, 2023

Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may recommend shot for all

President Biden told reporters on Friday he plans to ask Congress for funding to help develop a new COVID-19 vaccine, adding he may require everyone to get the shot.

news.yahoo.com

What next? Lockdowns?

ThatRobGuy · Aug 27, 2023

Given that the new strains are offshoots of Omicron (and I've already had 3 doses of pfizer and two prior infections, one of which being omicron, and my titers scores as of a few months ago were still strong), my answer right now would be "no".

If a variant pops up down the road with a much more ominous profile, then I'd be open to taking a variant-specific booster in the future. But at the current juncture, I don't have any immediate plans to rush out and get another dose.

Paul Offit (who's pro-vaccine and on the federal vaccine advisory panel) even says that here & now in 2023, boosters aren't needed for most people, and follow the pattern of diminishing returns where the only purpose they'd serve for most people is to make mild disease just a tad more mild if they happen to catch it in the 3 month period following the dose.

Given that the hope of herd immunity is a ship that's sailed, and the vaccines stopped being effective at transmission reduction after the Alpha variant, if you're under 60 with no preexisting conditions, there's no particular need to rush out and get a booster.

Data Doesn’t Support New COVID-19 Booster Shots for Most, Says Expert

It’s time to rethink the blanket recommendation for giving the new Omicron booster to everyone

time.com

mourningdove~ · Aug 27, 2023

hislegacy said:
What next? Lockdowns?

Yep, sure is looking that way for 2024 ...

RoBo1988 · Aug 27, 2023

mourningdove~ said:
Yep, sure is looking that way for 2024 ...

Another "fortified" election...

wing2000 · Aug 27, 2023

Eh, don't get your lock-down hopes up. Besides, I hear the GOP is on the mail-in ballot band wagon for next year.

sandman · Aug 27, 2023

I never complied to anything (masks, lockdowns, vaccines, or the oxymoron "social distancing") in the experimental games
I certainly won't participate in the 2023 -24 games.

RoBo1988 · Aug 27, 2023

wing2000 said:
Eh, don't get your lock-down hopes up. Besides, I hear the GOP is on the mail-in ballot band wagon for next year.

Wow. No "strongly worded letter"? Pity.

Gene2memE · Aug 27, 2023

Speaking to friends and family in the medical fraternity, there's a concern that some of the latest variants (EG.5 and FL.1.5) have substantial immunity escape from existing vaccines.

Some information from the US CDC:

CDT Redirect Page

If there's something targeting XBB variants available, I'll likely get a booster. With small kids in the house and a number of 80+ year-old relatives around, it just makes sense to reduce risks to others where available.

d taylor · Aug 27, 2023

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I am not a man to the moon believer. but there is a good article on Behind the Black.

I will NOT wear a mask, part two

Pommer · Aug 27, 2023

d taylor said:
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I am not a man to the moon believer. but there is a good article on Behind the Black.

I will NOT wear a mask, part two

I’ve taken to wearing a mask of late…I had a nasty bug, but not the COVID, and would not wish to know that I could have prevented this illness from being transmitted to another human being so I take this simple precaution as I need to be out-and-about.

d taylor · Aug 27, 2023

Pommer said:
I’ve taken to wearing a mask of late…I had a nasty bug, but not the COVID, and would not wish to know that I could have prevented this illness from being transmitted to another human being so I take this simple precaution as I need to be out-and-about.

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If you are well how can you transmit your sickness.

Pommer · Aug 27, 2023

d taylor said:
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If you are well how can you transmit your sickness.

It lingereth, still have a cough, phelmy. I’m prone to having URI’s turn into pneumonia.

jayem · Aug 27, 2023

I've been a Pfizer vaccine clinical trial subject since Covid reared it's ugly head in early 2020. I got the first 2 shots in Aug. and Sept. of that year. I got a booster in 2021. And I got the bivalent Covid vaccine last year. In a month or so, I'll be in a new clinical trial for a combined flu and updated Covid vaccine. Other than a slightly sore arm, I've never had any side effects to mRNA vaccines.

This has been said before, but it's worth repeating. The goal of vaccination is not just to prevent illness. Some vaccinated persons may still get very sick. Especially the elderly, and patients with pre-existing chronic medical problems. But otherwise healthy, vaccinated persons, are much more likely to have mild symptoms, and to recover quickly. They're much less likely to need hospitalization and intensive care. Vaccination lowers the stress on health care providers and health insurance costs. And it lessens time lost from work and reduced productivity in general. Which benefits all of us. The linked article has more info:

COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States

Gene2memE · Aug 27, 2023

d taylor said:
If you are well how can you transmit your sickness.

Because despite feeling well, you could still be carrying the disease at levels that remain infectious to others.

Take something like tuberculosis. Once treatment is initiated, most people are over it within two weeks. Yet, people who feel perfectly fine can remain transmit the bacterium to others for as long as nine to ten weeks.

Similar things happen with viruses. There can be a period after the illness where an individual is still infectious and can transmit the virus to others. This ranges from something as basic as the flu, to more worrying infections like SARS or MERS.

Bradskii · Aug 27, 2023

sandman said:
I never complied to anything (masks, lockdowns, vaccines, or the oxymoron "social distancing") in the experimental games
I certainly won't participate in the 2023 -24 games.

(Bradskii says a little thank you to the universe for arranging for him to be a long way from the US during the pandemic).

Oh, and while I'm here. Biden said '"Tentatively it is recommended that it will likely be recommended everybody get it..." So it's not even a recommendation yet. It's tentatively suggested that it might be tentatively recommended. Anyone need a dictionary def of 'recommended'? I can find one if it's required. I can also give you a list of what it doesn't mean as well.

FireDragon76 · Aug 27, 2023

Biden is suggesting funding for new vaccines, but it won't be "Biden's vaccine".

d taylor · Aug 28, 2023

Pommer said:
It lingereth, still have a cough, phelmy. I’m prone to having URI’s turn into pneumonia.

So you are not actually well and still have your sickness

Pommer · Aug 28, 2023

d taylor said:
So you are not actually well and still have your sickness

Thank you Dr taylor

sandman · Aug 28, 2023

Bradskii said:
(Bradskii says a little thank you to the universe for arranging for him to be a long way from the US during the pandemic).

Oh, and while I'm here. Biden said '"Tentatively it is recommended that it will likely be recommended everybody get it..." So it's not even a recommendation yet. It's tentatively suggested that it might be tentatively recommended. Anyone need a dictionary def of 'recommended'? I can find one if it's required. I can also give you a list of what it doesn't mean as well.

Biden has his own dictionary called (BMD) Biden morph dictionary …. Most of the words he speaks I can’t understand because he tries to speak them in the middle of their transition.

But the word tentative morphs to recommend then to strongly encourage and from strongly encourage to mandate.

Bradskii · Aug 28, 2023

sandman said:
But the word tentative morphs to recommend then to strongly encourage and from strongly encourage to mandate.

You can't morph a verb into an adjective, so it kinda falls over at the first hurdle. And I guess that you never ask a waiter for his recommendation in case he forces you to buy it. It's a silly argument.

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