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Fitch Ratings downgrades US debt from AAA to AA+ over "repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions" and "erosion of governance"

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Fitch downgrades US debt on debt ceiling drama and Jan. 6 insurrection


Explaining its rationale for the downgrade, Fitch pointed to “the expected fiscal deterioration over the next three years, a high and growing general government debt burden, and the erosion of governance relative to ‘AA’ and ‘AAA’ rated peers over the last two decades that has manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions.”

Fitch said the decision wasn’t just prompted by the latest debt ceiling standoff but rather “a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years” regarding “fiscal and debt matters.”

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We'll see if this is enough to get the House GOP to maybe pass a budget, and to stop using the debt ceiling as a plaything (when the White House occupant has a (D) next to his name).
 

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Fitch downgrades US debt on debt ceiling drama and Jan. 6 insurrection


Explaining its rationale for the downgrade, Fitch pointed to “the expected fiscal deterioration over the next three years, a high and growing general government debt burden, and the erosion of governance relative to ‘AA’ and ‘AAA’ rated peers over the last two decades that has manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions.”

Fitch said the decision wasn’t just prompted by the latest debt ceiling standoff but rather “a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years” regarding “fiscal and debt matters.”

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We'll see if this is enough to get the House GOP to maybe pass a budget, and to stop using the debt ceiling as a plaything (when the White House occupant has a (D) next to his name).

We will see if they can corral their right flank.
 
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Well I am surprised it hasn't happened sooner.
Well S&P did so in 2011 for much the same reasons (since a guy with a (D) after his name was in the White House):

"We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process," reads a statement from S&P.
 
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Good job Mr. President - Attaboy!

Fitch downgrades US debt on debt ceiling drama and Jan. 6 insurrection


Explaining its rationale for the downgrade, Fitch pointed to “the expected fiscal deterioration over the next three years, a high and growing general government debt burden, and the erosion of governance relative to ‘AA’ and ‘AAA’ rated peers over the last two decades that has manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions.”

Fitch said the decision wasn’t just prompted by the latest debt ceiling standoff but rather “a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years” regarding “fiscal and debt matters.”

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We'll see if this is enough to get the House GOP to maybe pass a budget, and to stop using the debt ceiling as a plaything (when the White House occupant has a (D) next to his name).
Maybe they should stop spending like drunken sailors on leave.
 
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Maybe they should stop spending like drunken sailors on leave.

Maybe the Republicans should put on their big boy pants and responsibly govern....instead of holding our government hostage over minority demands. If they have an issue with x spending, debate it in Congress...and if the measure loses, go home and come back on another day.
 
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Maybe the Republicans should put on their big boy pants and responsibly govern....instead of holding our government hostage over minority demands. If they have an issue with x spending, debate it in Congress...and if the measure loses, go home and come back on another day.
or..... the Democratic leadership could put on their big boy pants and present closer to a balanced budge by curtailing their huge spending plans
 
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or..... the Democratic leadership could put on their big boy pants and present closer to a balanced budge by curtailing their huge spending plans
President Biden released his budget. The GOP House majority has yet to offer an alternative.
 
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President Biden released his budget. The GOP House majority has yet to offer an alternative.
Yes, what happened during the previous two years where spending went completely out of control?
 
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Yes, what happened during the previous two years where spending went completely out of control?
I'm not sure what was out of control, since Appropriations for FY2022 and FY2023 were smaller than the one in 2021. But in both cases, some Republicans joined Democrats in voting for them.
 
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I'm not sure what was out of control, since Appropriations for FY2022 and FY2023 were smaller than the one in 2021. But in both cases, some Republicans joined Democrats in voting for them.
You should take a closer look then
 
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Fitch downgrades US debt on debt ceiling drama and Jan. 6 insurrection


Explaining its rationale for the downgrade, Fitch pointed to “the expected fiscal deterioration over the next three years, a high and growing general government debt burden, and the erosion of governance relative to ‘AA’ and ‘AAA’ rated peers over the last two decades that has manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions.”

Fitch said the decision wasn’t just prompted by the latest debt ceiling standoff but rather “a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years” regarding “fiscal and debt matters.”

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We'll see if this is enough to get the House GOP to maybe pass a budget, and to stop using the debt ceiling as a plaything (when the White House occupant has a (D) next to his name).

The US has already been dowgraded to a "flawed democracy" by observer groups, so it's starting to have consequences, as bankers are taking notice and changing their rates accordingly.

Perhaps Republicans should realize that practicing brinkmanship and holding the country's wallet hostage has consequences? Or is this a feature, and not a bug?
 
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Anybody want more downgrades?

Chance of a government shutdown grows

The far-right House Freedom Caucus escalated the stakes Monday by releasing a list of demands to support a short-term, stopgap funding bill that will likely be needed to prevent a government shutdown at the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30.

A conference divided

Before supporting a continuing resolution (CR), the Freedom Caucus is demanding the legislation include:
  • A House-passed border security bill;
  • A way to “address the unprecedented weaponization” of the Justice Department and the FBI; and
  • Provisions that would put an “end” to the “woke polices in the Pentagon.”
The group didn’t specify how to address Justice Department “weaponization” or how to end “woke policies” in the military.

Great, even the people who want it have no idea how to accomplish it. Nor does the House have a complete budget set out in actual appropriations bills. And the continuing resolution is being held hostage.

Speaker McCarthy will have to decide if he wants to pointlessly placate the 4 dozen Freedom Caucus members, or offer a relatively clean CR to get Democratic support. That would buy some time so the House GOP can actually present the nation with some sort of plan of how they want to reduce spending.
 
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Anybody want more downgrades?

Chance of a government shutdown grows

The far-right House Freedom Caucus escalated the stakes Monday by releasing a list of demands to support a short-term, stopgap funding bill that will likely be needed to prevent a government shutdown at the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30.

A conference divided

Before supporting a continuing resolution (CR), the Freedom Caucus is demanding the legislation include:
  • A House-passed border security bill;
  • A way to “address the unprecedented weaponization” of the Justice Department and the FBI; and
  • Provisions that would put an “end” to the “woke polices in the Pentagon.”
The group didn’t specify how to address Justice Department “weaponization” or how to end “woke policies” in the military.

Great, even the people who want it have no idea how to accomplish it. Nor does the House have a complete budget set out in actual appropriations bills. And the continuing resolution is being held hostage.

Speaker McCarthy will have to decide if he wants to pointlessly placate the 4 dozen Freedom Caucus members, or offer a relatively clean CR to get Democratic support. That would buy some time so the House GOP can actually present the nation with some sort of plan of how they want to reduce spending.
Political anger is a useful and effective tool in accomplishing various tasks and should be utilized early and often.
Yet when it is the only tool, it can get in the way since the “solutions” to problems become secondary to venting this anger.
This is that.
 
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Political anger is a useful and effective tool in accomplishing various tasks and should be utilized early and often.
Yet when it is the only tool, it can get in the way since the “solutions” to problems become secondary to venting this anger.
This is that.
Wait, you're saying there are downsides to having a political party's only policy being to "own the libs"?
 
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Chance of a government shutdown grows


Speaker McCarthy will have to decide if he wants to pointlessly placate the 4 dozen Freedom Caucus members, or offer a relatively clean CR to get Democratic support.

House Republican Says Move To Oust McCarthy ‘Inevitable’ If Speaker Works With Democrats On Shutdown Deal

Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-TX) said Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s (R-CA) hold on power in the House will be imperiled if he does not grant the demands of hard-right Republicans in the chamber ahead of a potential government shutdown.
 
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