Southern Baptists Vote to Keep Out Churches With Female Pastors

Say it aint so · Jun 14, 2023

""Southern Baptists finalized the expulsion of two churches with female pastors on Wednesday, after a dramatic clash at their annual convention over moves by an ultraconservative wing on multiple fronts to reverse what it sees as a liberal drift.

The ousted congregations are the Saddleback Church in Southern California, one of the denomination’s largest, and the Fern Creek Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky. They were expelled in February, but were given the opportunity to appeal the decision at the church’s annual meeting in New Orleans, which ends Wednesday.""

I truly didn't know this was still a thing in the Christian church.
It will be interesting to see how other denominations respond. Here in America at least, most denominations don't take the other to task.

Occams Barber · Jun 14, 2023

Say it aint so said:
I truly didn't know this was still a thing in the Christian church.

Even an atheist like me is well aware that Christians have major differences over the issue of female priests/pastors both within and between denominations.

Say it aint so said:
It will be interesting to see how other denominations respond. Here in America at least, most denominations don't take the other to task.

Here on CF, I see denominations taking each other to task every day. I don't have figures; however I suspect that American Christianity is the most fragmented when compared to other countries.

OB

durangodawood · Jun 14, 2023

Whats the bad thing that happens when women are pastors?

comana · Jun 14, 2023

durangodawood said:
Whats the bad thing that happens when women are pastors?

Women feel more respected and empowered by positive roll models leading in their churches. Which for some is a bad thing.

Handmaid for Jesus · Jun 14, 2023

durangodawood said:
Whats the bad thing that happens when women are pastors?

I dunno.

durangodawood · Jun 14, 2023

comana said:
Women feel more respected and empowered by positive roll models leading in their churches. Which for some is a bad thing.

Male-only clergy systems dont have the greatest track record in the recent century in terms of integrity and parishioner safety.

Tinker Grey · Jun 14, 2023

durangodawood said:
Whats the bad thing that happens when women are pastors?

"Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!"

Halbhh · Jun 14, 2023

The Bede said:
The clear biblical teachings are violated.

The New Age Pseudo-Christian Church of We Don't Need No Stinkin' Bible is free to have women pastors.

I followed the SBC debate pretty closely. Rick Warren's impassioned spiel made no sense whatsoever. It did everything but address the actual biblical teachings.

It's crucial to know as a Christian that God will not let all believers into heaven, but many will be excluded because of reviling/slandering others for example:

"nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God." -- 1 Cor 6:10

So, don't revile (badmouth) anyone! Fear God instead. Don't falsely claim that churches with women pastors call the bible 'stinkin' or refuse to read it and so on, because that is reviling. It can literally send a person to hell.

Wonderfully, it's never too late to confess and be entirely forgiven we read: 1rst John 1: 8-9

durangodawood · Jun 14, 2023

The Bede said:
The clear biblical teachings are violated.....

It seems to me Paul was often writing to specific congregations. The world being what it was then, I dont assume all of it is meant for all times and places. But thats my outsider perspective.

Sif · Jun 14, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
"Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!"

Most definitely if the female pastor in question is sporting a flat top.

Halbhh · Jun 14, 2023

The Bede said:
EDITED to remove a jocular comment that offended a sensitive soul

And God...

Handmaid for Jesus · Jun 14, 2023

Sif said:
Most definitely if the female pastor in question is sporting a flat top.

Do you mean as in haircut? :scratch:

ThatRobGuy · Jun 14, 2023

Say it aint so said:
I truly didn't know this was still a thing in the Christian church.

It is in certain denominations...

In the Baptist church that I grew up in (IE: forced to attend until my mid-teens), it wasn't just pastoral roles, they weren't allowed to be deacons or have any leadership capacity in which they might "have authority over a man or usurp a man's decision" The extent of female leadership in that church was that the Pastor's daughter in law was allowed to lead the Wednesday night Ladies Bible Study (provided she got everything pre-approved from him). And that sort of thing spilled out past the church doors as into personal lives as well, as the pastor would often call in couples for "Biblical counseling" when one of the guys in the church would complain that their wife was making some decisions for the household. They also had some other very one-sided rules where they would "allow a divorce" (allow meaning they'd let you stay in the church, they obviously had no legal authority) if a wife cheated on her husband, yet if the husband cheated on his wife, it was "pastoral counseling" and "it's your biblical duty to stay with your husband".

However, the ironic part is that the particular Baptist church I grew up in took a hardline on that (as well as other issues pertaining to genders/sex/sexuality and substances), yet were oddly lax about some other biblical teachings like gluttony.

If they found out you snuck a cigar at a company golf outing or someone spotted you coming out of a liquor store...you were as good as gone for not "preserving the temple"...yet the after service potlucks where people ate 5,000 calories worth of fried food and pepsi never seemed to be an issue. Odd how that works out...

Sif · Jun 14, 2023

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Do you mean as in haircut?

Yep, and if you see one aim for that flat top and the count of three...but go on two.

Handmaid for Jesus · Jun 14, 2023

Sif said:
Yep, and if you see one aim for that flat top and the count of three...but go on two.

ROFLOL!!

durangodawood · Jun 14, 2023

The Bede said:
.....I have increasingly come to realize that one is either a biblical Christian or one is not......

It sounds like "biblical" means you surrender any attempt at discernment about why and for whom things in the Bible were written. To me that's just a bizarre approach to a work that's got multiple authors writing over perhaps a thousand year span - whether your perspective is scholarship or faith. I dont get it.

d taylor · Jun 14, 2023

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Halbhh said:
It's crucial to know as a Christian that God will not let all believers into heaven, but many will be excluded because of reviling/slandering others for example:

"nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God." -- 1 Cor 6:10

So, don't revile (badmouth) anyone! Fear God instead. Don't falsely claim that churches with women pastors call the bible 'stinkin' or refuse to read it and so on, because that is reviling. It can literally send a person to hell.

Wonderfully, it's never too late to confess and be entirely forgiven we read: 1rst John 1: 8-9

A plain misustandring of 1 Corinthians 6:10, the verse states shall not inherit the kingdom. Noting about about entering the kingdom in 1 Corinthians 6:10, inherit is connected to the inheritance of rewards. The believer who are thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will not have an inheritance from God their Father in the kingdom of God.

Matt5 · Jun 14, 2023

durangodawood said:
What's the bad thing that happens when women are pastors?

At my local church, the pastor is a woman. She believes that Allah and the Christian God are the same. Interestingly, two characters in Islamic prophecy look a whole lot like the Anti-Christ and false prophet (a fake Jesus). Also, Allah's name looks a lot like 666.

If "Jesus" (the fake one) came and asked you to take the mark of Allah, why wouldn't you? My pastor probably would.

d taylor · Jun 14, 2023

Matt5 said:
At my local church, the pastor is a woman. She believes that Allah and the Christian God are the same. Interestingly, two characters in Islamic prophecy look a whole lot like the Anti-Christ and false prophet (a fake Jesus). Also, Allah's name looks a lot like 666.

If "Jesus" (the fake one) came and asked you to take the mark of Allah, why wouldn't you? My pastor probably would.

Why go to a church that has a leader who believes that.

Matt5 · Jun 14, 2023

d taylor said:
Why go to a church that has a leader who believes that.

There is a nasty little problem with the automatic church tax in Switzerland. I pay whether I go or not. The church holds 300. About 30 really old people go each week. The church brings in over a million a year in revenue thanks to the church tax. I used to go a lot but now I go only a few times a year.

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