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I was having a discussion on another forum and was quite surprised that some were saying we will come back to the earth. I have never seen that in God`s word.

Where do you think the Body of Christ`s inheritance will be in eternity?
 

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I was having a discussion on another forum and was quite surprised that some were saying we will come back to the earth. I have never seen that in God`s word.

Where do you think the Body of Christ`s inheritance will be in eternity?
For eternity, the new heaven and new earth.

For the millennium, the present earth and heaven.

The raptured/resurrected in Christ will return with Him to reign and rule on this present earth, as well as, traveling back and forth, earth and heaven.
 
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I was having a discussion on another forum and was quite surprised that some were saying we will come back to the earth. I have never seen that in God`s word.

Where do you think the Body of Christ`s inheritance will be in eternity?

Just before the second coming, the earth undergoes massive upheaval. Mountains and island disappear. Huge hail pummels the earth. The earth is left desolate, infrastructure is completely destroyed.

Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Revelation 16:18-21 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

At the second coming, all of the saints are gathered to be with Jesus in the air. Jesus never touches the ground, the saints go up to be with Him. Jesus does not bring the New Jerusalem at the second coming, but the army of heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire (in waiting for the lake of fire). The wicked die by the sword that proceeds out of the mouth of Jesus and do not live again until after the thousand year reign. Birds feast on their flesh. Satan is bound for a thousand years.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished...
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.

The next scene is in heaven, where judgment of the wicked is taking place during the thousand year reign of Jesus. The saints are in heaven.

Revelation 20:3 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

After the thousand years, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and settles on the earth.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Satan is loosed for a short time and the wicked are resurrected. How do we know the wicked are resurrected? Revelation 20:5 describes the wicked not living again until after the thousand years, and they are now described as alive and in league with Satan. Satan gathers them from the whole world to compass the city, but fire comes down from heaven and destroys them. Notice the saints are in the city, which means we do come back to earth with the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 20:7-10 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The wicked perish in the lake of fire. Remember, the earth was left in desolation at the second coming due to massive upheaval from earthquake and hail. The former infrastructure, or what was left of it, is destroyed by the lake of fire, wiping the slate for the new heaven and new earth to be made.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Conclusion:

The New Jerusalem is the city God has made as part of our inheritance, for the specific purpose of bringing it to earth to establish His kingdom. While we do spend a thousand years in heaven, our home will be the new heaven and earth which is created anew for us. No doubt we'll be traveling back and forth to heaven, but it won't be our permanent home.
 
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At the second coming, all of the saints are gathered to be with Jesus in the air. Jesus never touches the ground, the saints go up to be with Him. Jesus does not bring the New Jerusalem at the second coming, but the army of heaven.
When does Zechariah 14:4-5 take place, when Jesus stands on the Mt. of Olives, and brings His saints with Him ?
 
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I was having a discussion on another forum and was quite surprised that some were saying we will come back to the earth. I have never seen that in God`s word.

Where do you think the Body of Christ`s inheritance will be in eternity?
Millinialist's believe there will be a literal 1000 year reign on earth with Christ. And you are absolutely right, it is not in scripture. It is an essential and core teaching for pre- tribulation Dispensationalism. The other teaching is Amillennialism. It is the eschatological view with no literal one thousand-year reign of Christ will be on Earth. Christ's reign is now through His Church. In the end at "a twinkle of an eye",Christ will return in final judgment and establish a permanent reign in the "new heaven and new Earth." The Kingdom of God.
Blessings
 
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I was having a discussion on another forum and was quite surprised that some were saying we will come back to the earth. I have never seen that in God`s word.

Where do you think the Body of Christ`s inheritance will be in eternity?
The New Jerusalem. It has been Paradise in heaven since at least the Flood.

Revelation 21 states the New Jerusalem is a 1200 square mile cube that descends from Heaven and sits on the earth. Not quite as big as the moon, which is alleged to be 2160 miles in diameter.

The New Jerusalem would sit comfortably between current Jerusalem and Rome. About 1400 miles in a straight line.

Enough space to house close to 12 billion people, if there were 12 levels each 100 miles high, each with 1 billion people spread out over a square area of 1440000 miles, per level. About an acre per person. If they were couples that number would double. Of course there is room for way more than that, considering how close people live to each other today. Not sure there were that many who wanted to accept that future home by faith, though.
 
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Millinialist's believe there will be a literal 1000 year reign on earth with Christ. And you are absolutely right, it is not in scripture.
That is not what was posted. Revelation 20 states a literal 1,000 years on earth. Amil have to change Scripture to make it say there is not a literal 1,000 years on earth. Hence the term a (no) mil (millennium).

She posted the return to earth is not found in Scripture, which is not correct either. In Revelation 21, the New Jerusalem is the church descending from heaven to earth. Both points are found in Scripture. Amil and the amil view are not found in Scripture, unless you all want to claim 2 Peter 3:3-4?

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?"

Since Amil question the pre-mill coming of Jesus to the earth. Do these people claim per a time reference? The word "where" is used, but could mean "when", as where in time. Obviously they seem to not see the where in Scripture; prior to the Millennium as given by John.

Claiming Revelation is not chronological seems to contradict the point John was writing the events down in the order they were revealed, which the word Revelation means, a revealing.
 
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I was having a discussion on another forum and was quite surprised that some were saying we will come back to the earth. I have never seen that in God`s word.

Where do you think the Body of Christ`s inheritance will be in eternity?

Isaiah 11:6-9​

6The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. 9They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

Revelation 21:1-4​

21Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them; 4he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away.”

God is going to create a new heaven and earth.

We will still be human but not subject to death ... not disembodied spirits of some kind.

We will not be subject to death because we will eat from the tree of life .... that Adam and Eve had access to before the fall.
 
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Believers are never raptured to heaven, they are taken up to meet Jesus in the air (clouds). And they will tabernacle with Jesus while the tribulation is played out then return with Jesus at the end of the tribulation.
 
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For eternity, the new heaven and new earth.

For the millennium, the present earth and heaven.

The raptured/resurrected in Christ will return with Him to reign and rule on this present earth, as well as, traveling back and forth, earth and heaven.
Could you please give scriptures for each?
 
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Believers are never raptured to heaven, they are taken up to meet Jesus in the air (clouds). And they will tabernacle with Jesus while the tribulation is played out then return with Jesus at the end of the tribulation.
Scriptures please.
 
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"now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,"
Actually, the Hebrew word is `qadosh,` meaning holy one. Thu, we need more scriptures to find out which - angels or saints.
 
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Millinialist's believe there will be a literal 1000 year reign on earth with Christ. And you are absolutely right, it is not in scripture. It is an essential and core teaching for pre- tribulation Dispensationalism. The other teaching is Amillennialism. It is the eschatological view with no literal one thousand-year reign of Christ will be on Earth. Christ's reign is now through His Church. In the end at "a twinkle of an eye",Christ will return in final judgment and establish a permanent reign in the "new heaven and new Earth." The Kingdom of God.
Blessings
Glad you also see from scripture that the Body of Christ does not come back and rule on earth.
 
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Just before the second coming, the earth undergoes massive upheaval. Mountains and island disappear. Huge hail pummels the earth. The earth is left desolate, infrastructure is completely destroyed.



At the second coming, all of the saints are gathered to be with Jesus in the air. Jesus never touches the ground, the saints go up to be with Him. Jesus does not bring the New Jerusalem at the second coming, but the army of heaven.




The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire (in waiting for the lake of fire). The wicked die by the sword that proceeds out of the mouth of Jesus and do not live again until after the thousand year reign. Birds feast on their flesh. Satan is bound for a thousand years.






The next scene is in heaven, where judgment of the wicked is taking place during the thousand year reign of Jesus. The saints are in heaven.



After the thousand years, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and settles on the earth.



Satan is loosed for a short time and the wicked are resurrected. How do we know the wicked are resurrected? Revelation 20:5 describes the wicked not living again until after the thousand years, and they are now described as alive and in league with Satan. Satan gathers them from the whole world to compass the city, but fire comes down from heaven and destroys them. Notice the saints are in the city, which means we do come back to earth with the New Jerusalem.



The wicked perish in the lake of fire. Remember, the earth was left in desolation at the second coming due to massive upheaval from earthquake and hail. The former infrastructure, or what was left of it, is destroyed by the lake of fire, wiping the slate for the new heaven and new earth to be made.



Conclusion:

The New Jerusalem is the city God has made as part of our inheritance, for the specific purpose of bringing it to earth to establish His kingdom. While we do spend a thousand years in heaven, our home will be the new heaven and earth which is created anew for us. No doubt we'll be traveling back and forth to heaven, but it won't be our permanent home.
Thank you for your detailed reply with scriptures. However, I do not see a scripture for the New Jerusalem on the earth.

Also, when the NJ does come down out of the highest heaven there will be no more death etc. Your comments as to the NJ coming down and Satan being loosed etc do not fit in with that. (Rev. 21: 1 - 4)
 
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The New Jerusalem. It has been Paradise in heaven since at least the Flood.

Revelation 21 states the New Jerusalem is a 1200 square mile cube that descends from Heaven and sits on the earth. Not quite as big as the moon, which is alleged to be 2160 miles in diameter.

The New Jerusalem would sit comfortably between current Jerusalem and Rome. About 1400 miles in a straight line.

Enough space to house close to 12 billion people, if there were 12 levels each 100 miles high, each with 1 billion people spread out over a square area of 1440000 miles, per level. About an acre per person. If they were couples that number would double. Of course there is room for way more than that, considering how close people live to each other today. Not sure there were that many who wanted to accept that future home by faith, though.
The description of the New Jerusalem is symbolic. If we have the whole world to move around in why would God, make a box for us to live in in eternity?

Where in scripture does it say that the NJ is on the earth?
 
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Isaiah 11:6-9​

6The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. 9They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

Revelation 21:1-4​

21Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them; 4he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away.”

God is going to create a new heaven and earth.

We will still be human but not subject to death ... not disembodied spirits of some kind.

We will not be subject to death because we will eat from the tree of life .... that Adam and Eve had access to before the fall.
Isa. 11: 6 - 9 Note - ON my holy mountain. Not in all the earth. It is not the NHNE at that point.

We, the Body of Christ are made like Christ and will be able to go through dimensions, we will not have human bodies like Adam. (1 Cor. 15: 44 & 45)
 
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I will give you one that covers everything.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Once Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection event, there after, where-ever Jesus is, that's where the glorified saints will be also.
Jesus said that to the disciples who will be ruling in the New Jerusalem. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21; 14)

We will be higher up in the third heaven on Christ`s own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)

And the Lord Jesus Christ will be throughout God`s great kingdom by His holy Spirit.
 
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Scriptures please.
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For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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