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THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 7, Part 3 of 3

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THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 7, Part 3 of 3

HOW ALEXANDER THE GREAT COULD HAVE FULFILLED HAVING HIS WINGS PLUCKED

If Alexander the Great had believed in the one true God Who according to note 1713 below appeared to him in a vision as a Jewish Levitical Priest and told him that he would be successful in his campaigns in Asia against the Persian Empire, he would not have not have set his sites to go beyond these boundaries, which the historical records show he endeavored to do so.

However Alexander the Greats’ desire to conquer beyond these boundaries contribute to the fulfillment of his wings being plucked when, as described below in notes 2117 - 2120 and 2146 - 2147 when his entire military refused to continue fighting and would not continue any further into India. These records also show that Alexander reasoned as a man when he took into consideration that his army had been warring with him continuously for 8 continuous years.

Dan 7:4 “The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.

1713. When he returned to Dios a town in Macedonia, (Arrian. l. 1. p. 11.) all his thoughts were upon the conquest of Asia. In his sleep the likeness of the High Priest of Jerusalem appeared to him, who bade him be courageous and bold. He was to quickly enter Asia with his army and that he would conduct his armies in the conquest of the Persian Empire. (Josephus, Antiquit. l. 11. c. 8. s. 5.)

2117. On the 3rd day he departed from there and came to the Hyphasis or Hypanis River. It is almost a mile wide and 36 feet deep. It was very rocky under water and quite difficult to cross. Phegeus told him what he wanted to know about the other side of the river. There was a vast desert of 11 or 12 days journey to cross bounded by the Ganges River. It was the largest in all of India. Beyond the river lived various peoples. The people there were the Gaugaridae or Gongaridae and Prasians or Praendians, or Praesiaeans, or Pharrasians, or Tabraesians, for they are all known by these different names. Their King was called Agrammes. (Diod. Sic. calls him Xagrames,) He had an army of 20,000 cavalry, 200,000 foot soldiers, 2000 chariots and 3000 or (as Diodorus says) 4000 elephants, all trained and equipped for war.

2118. These things seemed incredible to Alexander. When he had questioned Porus further, Porus told him that the force and power of that king and kingdom was indeed very great and no less than what he was told. However the current king was of ignoble birth and no better than a poor barber's son. He was hated and scorned by his subjects. Androcottus, who was then but a youth and had not only seen Alexander but also for a certain saucy prank played on Alexander, was ordered to be executed. He would have died had he not fled. Justin, (l. 15. c. 4.) tells us that he later said that Alexander almost conquered all of India. The part he missed was of little note since their the king was too wicked, so base, so hated and so much scorned by his people.

2119. Alexander began to reflect that his soldiers were all tired out and spent with the length of the war. Every man began to look for an end of these dangers and for the reward and fruit of all their labours. They had now been 8 whole years (for so long it was since he became king) in a continual perilous war. It happened that for 70 consecutive days, it poured rain accompanied with violent thunderstorms according to Diodorus. Diodorus says that to pacify the soldiers, he gave them permission to plunder a most rich and bountiful country of the enemies and to take all to themselves. While they were busy at this, he called together their wives and children and made there a law that the wives would receive their monthly allowance in grain and their children the same wages that their fathers did.

2120. When the soldiers were returned home laden with wealth and riches, the king called them all together. He made a prepared speech to request them to accompany him cheerfully to the conquest of the Gangaridae. Caenus the son of Polemocrates replied in the name of the whole army and concluded that they all desired an end of the war. The Macedonians would not listen to Alexander's request. Ptolemy reports that he went on and offered sacrifices for the crossing of the river. When the entrails portended all direful things if he proceeded, he called together his friends and such as were the oldest and most intimate with him. He told them first and afterward declared to all the army that since all things seemed to be against his going any farther, he was now content and resolved to return home.

2146. The countries of the Oxydracans and Mallians lie between the place where the Hydaspes River joins the Acesines River and they both flow into the Indus River. (Arrian. in his India, p 171.) These were usually at war with each other but now united against their common enemy, Alexander. To further secure their alliance, they gave 10,000 virgins to each other to intermarry. They had 80,000 foot soldiers and 10,000 cavalry besides 700 chariots. Curtius says 900. Justin (l. 12. c. 9.) and Orosius (l. 3. c. 19.) call these people the Mandri or Ambri and Sabracans or Subagrans or Sugambrians. By all these names, the Malli and Oxydracans (who in Diodorus are incorrectly written Syracusions) in various editions go. They had 60,000 cavalry.

2147. The Macedonians thought they were past all danger and looked for an end of the fighting business. When they saw themselves engaged in a new war with more fierce and warlike countries than they had before in any part of India, they were terrified. They began again to murmur and rebel against Alexander. Alexander pacified them with a good speech and made all well again.

Alexander the Great gave up his crusades and died from an illness in Babylon, which is in present day Iraq.

This is the extent of my research into the possible fulfillment of the beasts in Dan. 7.
 

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HOW ALEXANDER THE GREAT COULD HAVE FULFILLED HAVING HIS WINGS PLUCKED
Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

No, it is talking about Nebuchadnezzar. Anyone who has read Daniel 4 and reads what happened to Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4:33-37 knows this.

The four kingdoms in Daniel 7 match the four kingdoms in Daniel 2 and the composite make-up of the beast of Revelation 13 coming out of the sea.
 
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The Lion in Daniel


Daniel recorded: `The first was like a lion & had wings like an eagle.` (Dan. 7:4)

O.Neubecker, Director of the `International Academy of heraldry,` & the foremost authority in this field, explains –


`The appearance of a lion as a heraldic beast by no means indicates that it forms part of the native fauna of that country; its use comes from the significance attributed to it. The lion is the symbol of Royal Sovereignty & the eagle the symbol of Imperial Power.`


In combination we have the initial clue to the identity of this first contemporary super-power to emerge. A sovereign Monarchy which exercised imperialistic power over a substantial area of the world. i.e. A empire ruled by a monarch.


Further revelation was given to Daniel.


`As I looked its wings were plucked off.` (Dan. 7: 4)


There is a fascinating double reference in this –

  • The empire lost its capacity for imperialistic expansion.
  • Part of the empire became a separate nation with the eagle as its emblem.


`It was made to stand on two feet like a man; & the spirit of man was given to it.` (Dan.7: 4)



Here is transformation. Until now the outlook & operation had been that of a powerful beast, imperialistically conquering, dominating & colonising. Suddenly there is a remarkable change to the higer qualities of the spirit of man. In political language, co-existing in freedom, peace & equality with its former dominions. An empire becomes a Commonwealth of Nations.


Ezekiel, a contemporary of Daniel. confirms & elucidates the concept: -


`The merchants of Tarshish with its young lions.` (Ez. 38: 13)


Tarshish, as has been previously intimated, is universally accepted by scholars as referring to Great Britain. Young lions, offspring of the mother-lion are separate entities, yet when circumstances warrant, they join with her. In modern parlance, nations colonised from the imperialistic monarchy, i.e. Great Britain, now completely autonomous yet cooperating uniquely in common purpose as the British Commonwealth of Nations.


This has been exemplified particularly in all the wars this century. The Bible predicts that this will be the situation again in World war 3. See illustration - `The Empire needs men.` (recuiting poster – World War 2)


(Poster - `The Empire needs Men.` (Heading) with a picture of a lion & young lions. Underneath is written - `Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand. All answer the call. Helped by the young lions the old lion defies his foes.`)


O. Neubecker, Director of the International Academy of heraldry, corroborates: -


`The Lion, as a formal coat of arms, was derived from the arms of England & Scotland.`


H.M. Queen Elizabeth II as Head of the Commonwealth, broadcasted –


`The Commonwealth bears no resemblance to the empires of the past. It is an entirely new conception built on the highest qualities of the Spirit of Man: Friendship, loyalty & the desire for freedom & peace.`


I submit that this first super-power to emerge was the Great British Empire, currently, of course the British Commonwealth of Nations. The American Eagle, who also originally came from the mother lion will continue to be a dominant & integral part of this powerful confederacy.












 
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Just to note, Babylon, the lion with the wings plucked also was the head of Gold and referred to as a "king of kings" another hint to the Tabernacle imagery sent by God to the exiled people.

Since the tabernacle points to Jesus, probably a missed point of this popular prophecy.
 
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Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

No, it is talking about Nebuchadnezzar. Anyone who has read Daniel 4 and reads what happened to Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4:33-37 knows this.
If you checked to see if Nebuchadnezzar had his awakening before Daniel saw the vision in Dan 7 did you would have learned that Dan saw the vision of the future several kings after Nebuchadnezzar ruled and had his awakening.
Dan. 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon
 
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If you checked to see if Nebuchadnezzar had his awakening before Daniel saw the vision in Dan 7 did you would have learned that Dan saw the vision of the future several kings after Nebuchadnezzar ruled and had his awakening.
Dan. 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon
It does not change that Daniel 7:4 is talking about Nebuchadnezzar.

The Daniel 7 dream that Daniel had, and the Daniel 2 dream that Nebuchadnezzar had, and the Revelation 13:1-2 composite description of the beast coming out of the sea, John was shown - all match.

Babylonian empire
Medes-Persian empire
Greek empire
Roman empire

The EU is the Roman empire materialized in the end times. The EEC (European Economic Community) that became the EU (European Union) was founded by the 1957 treaty of Rome.

The ten kings and the little horn will come out of the EU.
 
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It does not change that Daniel 7:4 is talking about Nebuchadnezzar.

The Daniel 7 dream that Daniel had, and the Daniel 2 dream that Nebuchadnezzar had, and the Revelation 13:1-2 composite description of the beast coming out of the sea, John was shown - all match.

Babylonian empire
Medes-Persian empire
Greek empire
Roman empire

The EU is the Roman empire materialized in the end times. The EEC (European Economic Community) that became the EU (European Union) was founded by the 1957 treaty of Rome.

The ten kings and the little horn will come out of the EU.
Are you ever going to reason through the scriptures? Dan 7:17 states they will rise after Daniel saw the vision, which was several kings after Nebuchadnezzar and rules him out as the fulfillment. Dan 7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth. As I said Jesus revealed to me the beasts in Dan 7 are those known by the person who leads them.
 
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Are you ever going to reason through the scriptures? Dan 7:17 states they will rise after Daniel saw the vision, which was several kings after Nebuchadnezzar and rules him out as the fulfillment. Dan 7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth. As I said Jesus revealed to me the beasts in Dan 7 are those known by the person who leads them.
There is no "will" in the original Hebrew of Daniel 7:17. The first king had already arisen.

He was Nebuchadnezzar.
 
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