Russia and Ukraine

Love365 · May 26, 2023

Russia and Ukraine need seats in European Parliament.

Talking is better than fighting.

trophy33 · May 26, 2023

They can talk in the UN, both are already members there.

Actually, they can talk without any organisation, I think that both countries have phones/internet/presidents/diplomats. The problem is not a lack of space to talk in.

Love365 · May 26, 2023

myst33 said:
They can talk in the UN, both are already members there.

Actually, they can talk without any organisation, I think that both countries have phones/internet/presidents/diplomats. The problem is not a lack of space to talk in.

In the UN each country only gets one seat.

In European Parliament each country gets many seats.

More seats, more communication.

trophy33 · May 26, 2023

Love365 said:
In the UN each country only gets one seat.

In European Parliament each country gets many seats.

More seats, more communication.

Thats irrelevant. They can have bilaterally as much communication as they want, they are not limited by any seats.

Love365 · May 27, 2023

There are many complicated problems Russia and the European Union need to talk about.

It would be much easier if Russia was a member.

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
There are many complicated problems Russia and the European Union need to talk about.

It would be much easier if Russia was a member.

Thats not how it works.

Only democratic countries that are legally, culturally and economically compatible with the EU can be members of the EU. If any country wants to become a member of the EU, such country must make the needed changes first.

Love365 · May 27, 2023

myst33 said:
Thats not how it works.

Only democratic countries that are legally and culturally compatible with the EU can be members of the EU. If any country wants to become a member of the EU, such a country must make the needed changes first.

For most countries yes.

But Russia is a major European power.

Russia should have been given automatic membership in 1993.

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
For most countries yes.

But Russia is a major European power.

Russia should have been given automatic membership in 1993.

No, Russia does not belong to the EU, because its not a developed and stable democracy. Its also very poor and many Russian people would immediately relocate to the EU countries. Therefore, Russia is also economically incompatible with the EU.

You also seem to ignore that only a very small part of Russia is in Europe, the most of it is in Asia and those states of the Russian federation are culturally, economically and politically totally different from Europe.

Being a military power is not enough for some automatic EU membership, or else China, India or USA would be in, too.

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
Russia should have been given automatic membership in 1993.

The countries of the former Soviet Union were not in a condition to join the EU. Many countries of the former Soviet Union worked hard and achieved the required standards and joined the EU in 2004 (Hungary, Czech rep, Poland, Slovakia and others) and also after that.

Russia decided to go in another direction.

Love365 · May 27, 2023

myst33 said:
No, Russia does not belong to the EU, because its not a developed and stable democracy. Its also very poor and many Russian people would immediately relocate to the EU countries. Therefore, Russia is also economically incompatible with the EU.

You also seem to ignore that only a very small part of Russia is in Europe, the most of it is in Asia and those states of the Russian federation are culturally, economically and politically totally different from Europe.

Being a military power is not enough for some automatic EU membership, or else China, India or USA would be in, too.

Most of Russia’s population lives on the European side of Russia.

They are European Christians.

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
Most of Russia’s population lives on the European side of Russia.

They are European Christians.

Claiming to be Christians and behaving like Christians are two different things.

Anyway, being a Christian country is not a direct requirement for the EU membership, though we may see it indirectly in the compatibility of culture, of legal systems or in democracy.

Love365 · May 27, 2023

myst33 said:
Claiming to be Christians and behaving like Christians are two different things.

Anyway, being a Christian country is not a direct requirement for the EU membership, though we may see it indirectly in the compatibility of culture, of legal systems or in democracy.

If we let Russia join they will become more democratic over time.

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
If we let Russia join they will become more democratic over time.

Again, thats not how it works.

First, a country must become more democratic, stable and developed over time. Then it can join.

Edit: Then it can apply to join. The final decision is on the EU countries, its not automatic in any way.

Love365 · May 27, 2023

myst33 said:
Again, thats not how it works.

First, a country must become more democratic, stable and developed over time. Then it can join.

Edit: Then it can apply to join. The final decision is on the EU countries, its not automatic in any way.

You can’t have NATO so close to the Russian border,
and lock Russia out of European Parliament.

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
You can’t have NATO so close to the Russian border,
and lock Russia out of European Parliament.

Why not?

If countries close to Russian border were not afraid of the Russian weird aggressive rhetoric, they would have no reason to join NATO, for example Finland.

Love365 · May 27, 2023

myst33 said:
Why not?

If countries close to Russian border were not afraid of the Russian weird aggressive rhetoric, they would have no reason to join NATO, for example Finland.

1. communication stops wars.

2. No taxation without Representation

trophy33 · May 27, 2023

Love365 said:
1. communication stops wars.

2. No taxation without Representation

Russians can communicate and cooperate as much as they want. But it would help if they did not lie and did not invade some country during the talks.

There had been much cooperation between Russia and EU and even between Russia and NATO, in the past. Then, Russia decided to go the crazy way, to attack its neighbor and to play the bully towards other smaller bordering nations again.

Love365 · May 31, 2023

Would you give Russia seats,
if the US also had seats?

trophy33 · May 31, 2023

No, I would rather move the whole Russia to Kentucky. Would you be for it, if they promised they will not eat all your chicken?

Love365 · May 31, 2023

myst33 said:
No, I would rather move the whole Russia to Kentucky. Would you be for it, if they promised they will not eat all your chicken?

KFC and McDonalds were able to work with Russia for many years.

KFC was in Russia starting in 1993.

McDonalds was in Russia starting in 1990.

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