‘Tons’ of food gets tossed daily by NYC hotel because migrants won’t eat it

Valletta · Jan 12, 2023

‘Tons’ of food gets tossed daily by NYC hotel because migrants won’t eat it

Disturbing photos show garbage bags full of sandwiches and bagels awaiting disposal at the four-star Row NYC hotel near Times Square where migrants are being housed.

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Maria Billingsley · Jan 12, 2023

Valletta said:
‘Tons’ of food gets tossed daily by NYC hotel because migrants won’t eat it

Disturbing photos show garbage bags full of sandwiches and bagels awaiting disposal at the four-star Row NYC hotel near Times Square where migrants are being housed.

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Why are you posting this ?? I dont get it.
Blessings.

Nithavela · Jan 12, 2023

Seems like the real crime is charging 500 dollars per day for feeding people bag lunches. Are they putting them on a diet of bagels and sweat meat? No wonder the migrants prefer to cook their own food. They're in a supposed four star hotel, so why can't that four star hotel offer them a balanced diet with enough food they are familiar with and desire? I'd be cooking my own food too after a week of that stuff.

Either someone is getting rich on kickbacks or the hotel is making a killing. Or both.

Lost Witness · Jan 12, 2023

I've been residentially challenged and often ate spoiled and expired food as that's all the food pantries had
it's a blessing to be able to eat and have a roof many people in the world are starving and lack a roof or even flooring in their residents.
that's just my opinion

rambot · Jan 13, 2023

ROFL!!!

Do you know how much food Americans throw away EVERY YEAR because they don't like it?\
I've seen numbers around 133,000,000,000 pounds of food. Food Loss and Waste
You guys waste at LEAST a 1/3 of ALL THE FOOD you make.

What does that mean? One year, you wasted the equivalent of 230ish lbs of food.

Or is this a "we're better than them so their opinion doesn't count and we don't need to listen to them". The hotel would probably save money making them central american food since the ingredients can be quite cheap.

I'm not saying this to excuse this and I'm not saying it to absolve them of punishment at all; but remember the trauma these people have come through. They feel safe, mentally and physically. You'd like expecst some challenging behaviours of some kind....

But to use two examples of the times where there is 100% chance of drinking for many people regardless of ethnicity or space (New Years and a countries own World Cup Match) I just don't think will paint a TRUE picture of what DAILY life is like in that hotel. I'm not sure WHAT it is, but if those are the examples and contexts shared, that doesn't mean much.

seeking.IAM · Jan 13, 2023

It probably had kale in it. Just guessing.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 13, 2023

Nithavela said:
Seems like the real crime is charging 500 dollars per day for feeding people bag lunches. Are they putting them on a diet of bagels and sweat meat? No wonder the migrants prefer to cook their own food. They're in a supposed four star hotel, so why can't that four star hotel offer them a balanced diet with enough food they are familiar with and desire? I'd be cooking my own food too after a week of that stuff.

Either someone is getting rich on kickbacks or the hotel is making a killing. Or both.

My bigger question would be why are high-end hotels being used for this?

Was $500/night hotel rooms in Times Square really the only option? Or was the venue selected specifically to "prove a point" about "the massive cost of the migrants getting sent to the city"?

If I had to guess at the motivation for why the hotel is offering cheaper foods to them would be that, unlike the type of person who has the resources to pay for a swanky room that costs that much, migrants probably aren't spending money in other ways while staying there, so the hotel is likely losing revenue despite the city paying the "going rate" for the room itself.

For instance, they kind of guy who would drop $3,000 a week on a hotel room in times square for a vacation, is probably the same kinda guy who dines in their high end restaurant as well, and heads down to the lounge for some wildly overpriced drinks or gleefully puts overpriced room service on his bill.

The hotel (that's typically used to a more upscale clientele) is probably also less than pleased with things like this happening:

Other images show a hotel room littered with empty beer cans and bottles following a wild World Cup viewing party in November, Rodriguez said.

That gathering — in a room whose occupant “gave the key to a cousin” while she “was in the Bronx, hanging out” — erupted into a fight over the match that left one man with a “big knot on his head,” Rodriguez said.

Rodriguez said he also shot a brief video clip of two female migrants engaged in a hair-pulling fight outside the hotel during New Year’s Eve festivities last week.

grasping the after wind · Jan 13, 2023

Lost Witness said:
I've been residentially challenged and often ate spoiled and expired food as that's all the food pantries had
it's a blessing to be able to eat and have a roof many people in the world are starving and lack a roof or even flooring in their residents.
that's just my opinion

Where did you go that they gave you spoiled food. That is illegal. The people in charge of those food pantries can be prosecuted for doing that. Did you alert the authorities?
My experience with food pantries is that they will not even take that has passed the "best by" date which the Board of Health considers completely safe as such food is so processed (things like potato chips or pretzels) that it never becomes a health issue. But certainly, food that has passed the "sell by" or "use by" date should never be handed out to anyone. Spoiled food is a health hazard and cannot be legally given away.

Landon Caeli · Jan 15, 2023

grasping the after wind said:
Where did you go that they gave you spoiled food. That is illegal. The people in charge of those food pantries can be prosecuted for doing that. Did you alert the authorities?
My experience with food pantries is that they will not even take that has passed the "best by" date which the Board of Health considers completely safe as such food is so processed (things like potato chips or pretzels) that it never becomes a health issue. But certainly, food that has passed the "sell by" or "use by" date should never be handed out to anyone. Spoiled food is a health hazard and cannot be legally given away.

It's done all the time. Very common that expired food is handed out.

Landon Caeli · Jan 15, 2023

Maria Billingsley said:
Why are you posting this ?? I dont get it.
Blessings.

What don't you get?

Aryeh Jay · Jan 16, 2023

Perhaps Texas and Florida should bus people to areas that have acceptable food.

rambot · Jan 16, 2023

grasping the after wind said:
Where did you go that they gave you spoiled food. That is illegal. The people in charge of those food pantries can be prosecuted for doing that. Did you alert the authorities?
My experience with food pantries is that they will not even take that has passed the "best by" date which the Board of Health considers completely safe as such food is so processed (things like potato chips or pretzels) that it never becomes a health issue. But certainly, food that has passed the "sell by" or "use by" date should never be handed out to anyone. Spoiled food is a health hazard and cannot be legally given away.

In my school I JUST passed out yogurt cups that expired the day before (of course, yogurt cups can pass that date and be fine). And that's from a third party organization (local car dealership).

iluvatar5150 · Jan 16, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
My bigger question would be why are high-end hotels being used for this?

Was $500/night hotel rooms in Times Square really the only option? Or was the venue selected specifically to "prove a point" about "the massive cost of the migrants getting sent to the city"?

It's not a high-end hotel. It may say "four star," but you can look at the room pics on their website - the common areas look swanky-ish, but the rooms are mostly tiny and unimpressive. It looks like an old shabby hotel that got cleaned up a bit. They're not taking bookings at the moment, but the prices I could find online put it starting at around $100/night, which is well in the budget range, especially for Manhattan.

If I had to guess, this venue was selected because it's large, had a lot of availability (it appears that the gov't bought out the entire place), and was cheaper than other options. The $400-500 cost is probably closer to the top of the range (e.g. for the suites) and likely includes multiple meals and whatever premiums they charge for corporate/government rates. Also, they're not the only venue. From the article:

The Row NYC is one of four HERRCs that the city has opened in large Manhattan hotels, in addition to renting out 71 smaller hotels across the city, as of Sunday.

Reading further, I'm not sure where the Post got that $400-500 figure. The article to which they link says that the last time Row was used for this purpose, the city paid an average of $147/night.

Landon Caeli · Jan 16, 2023

Aryeh Jay said:
Perhaps Texas and Florida should bus people to areas that have acceptable food.

Yes, like Canada. They have great food there, and lots of beer.

Ana the Ist · Jan 16, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
My bigger question would be why are high-end hotels being used for this?

Was $500/night hotel rooms in Times Square really the only option? Or was the venue selected specifically to "prove a point" about "the massive cost of the migrants getting sent to the city"?

If I had to guess at the motivation for why the hotel is offering cheaper foods to them would be that, unlike the type of person who has the resources to pay for a swanky room that costs that much, migrants probably aren't spending money in other ways while staying there, so the hotel is likely losing revenue despite the city paying the "going rate" for the room itself.

For instance, they kind of guy who would drop $3,000 a week on a hotel room in times square for a vacation, is probably the same kinda guy who dines in their high end restaurant as well, and heads down to the lounge for some wildly overpriced drinks or gleefully puts overpriced room service on his bill.

The hotel (that's typically used to a more upscale clientele) is probably also less than pleased with things like this happening:

Other images show a hotel room littered with empty beer cans and bottles following a wild World Cup viewing party in November, Rodriguez said.

That gathering — in a room whose occupant “gave the key to a cousin” while she “was in the Bronx, hanging out” — erupted into a fight over the match that left one man with a “big knot on his head,” Rodriguez said.

Rodriguez said he also shot a brief video clip of two female migrants engaged in a hair-pulling fight outside the hotel during New Year’s Eve festivities last week.

It's happening there to get the maximum dollar amount reimbursement from the federal government.

grasping the after wind · Jan 18, 2023

Landon Caeli said:
It's done all the time. Very common that expired food is handed out.

Expired food is toxic. People can die from food poisoning. No one is legally allowed to sell or give away food that has expired.

Nithavela · Jan 18, 2023

grasping the after wind said:
Expired food is toxic.

Not if it's only eaten after the "best before" date.

grasping the after wind · Jan 18, 2023

rambot said:
In my school I JUST passed out yogurt cups that expired the day before (of course, yogurt cups can pass that date and be fine). And that's from a third party organization (local car dealership).

I worked in the food vending business for 14 years, so I know a bit about this subject. The date you saw on the yogurt cup was almost certainly not an expiration date. It was most likely a "best by" or "sell by" date. Food has only expired if it has reached the "use by" date or if it has gone too far passed the sell by date. The last differs depending upon the product. Yogurt would be good to consume up to 10 days after the sell by date.

What's the Difference Between Sell By, Best By and Use By?

"Best by" dates are not expiration dates—they merely mark the last day before food quality declines.

spoonuniversity.com

"While some areas of food labeling are strictly regulated, food dating seems rather arbitrary. What is the real difference between "sell by", "best by" and "use by"? And what happens if you eat food after this date?

"Best by" indicates when a product will be of best flavor or quality.

"Sell by" is used by manufacturers to ensure proper turnover throughout the journey of the food product. This helps the food retain a long shelf life even after purchase.

"Use by" marks the last date recommended for the use of the product. This is often printed on meat, poultry or egg labels and should be taken seriously."

What I can gather from what I was told by the Board of Health inspectors on their yearly inspections of my locations, if a shelter or food pantry gives out product that has passed its best by date it is not doing anything wrong no matter how long after the date it might be, If it gives out sell by passed the date it is not doing wrong as long as the guidelines for each particular product are followed by which one can determine when the food is still good for use, .If it gives out product that has passed its use by date it is illegally endangering the health of those it is supposed to be helping . The food pantries and shelters that I donated snacks to would not take any product that had passed the best by date because either those in charge refused to believe that that date was meaningless in terms of health, or the more reasonable thought that it was unseemly to give people in need, something that a consumer would not be happy to buy at full price.

grasping the after wind · Jan 18, 2023

Nithavela said:
Not if it's only eaten after the "best before" date.

That food would not be expired it would simply not be guaranteed to be as fresh as it ought to be. These terms are very specific. Best before or best by has nothing to do with expiration.

rambot · Jan 18, 2023

grasping the after wind said:
I worked in the food vending business for 14 years, so I know a bit about this subject. The date you saw on the yogurt cup was almost certainly not an expiration date. It was most likely a "best by" or "sell by" date. Food has only expired if it has reached the "use by" date or if it has gone too far passed the sell by date. The last differs depending upon the product. Yogurt would be good to consume up to 10 days after the sell by date.

What's the Difference Between Sell By, Best By and Use By?

"Best by" dates are not expiration dates—they merely mark the last day before food quality declines.

spoonuniversity.com

"While some areas of food labeling are strictly regulated, food dating seems rather arbitrary. What is the real difference between "sell by", "best by" and "use by"? And what happens if you eat food after this date?

"Best by" indicates when a product will be of best flavor or quality.

"Sell by" is used by manufacturers to ensure proper turnover throughout the journey of the food product. This helps the food retain a long shelf life even after purchase.

"Use by" marks the last date recommended for the use of the product. This is often printed on meat, poultry or egg labels and should be taken seriously."

What I can gather from what I was told by the Board of Health inspectors on their yearly inspections of my locations, if a shelter or food pantry gives out product that has passed its best by date it is not doing anything wrong no matter how long after the date it might be, If it gives out sell by passed the date it is not doing wrong as long as the guidelines for each particular product are followed by which one can determine when the food is still good for use, .If it gives out product that has passed its use by date it is illegally endangering the health of those it is supposed to be helping . The food pantries and shelters that I donated snacks to would not take any product that had passed the best by date because either those in charge refused to believe that that date was meaningless in terms of health, or the more reasonable thought that it was unseemly to give people in need, something that a consumer would not be happy to buy at full price.

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