Is it Biblically correct to ask God to avenge for you when you have been wronged?

grafted branch · Jan 10, 2023

This question came up on another thread in regards to Revelation 6:10 where the souls are asking the question of how long till their blood is avenged for. I’m specifically asking about praying for this on earth, not in heaven. Regardless of any end time position, I would like to see what others think.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 10, 2023

Are the gospels in your bible?

grafted branch · Jan 10, 2023

Michael Collum said:
Are the gospels in your bible?

Yes, I personally don’t think it ever will be correct to ask God to avenge. However there are some people here in this area of the forum who think a time will come when believers will ask to be avenged. They use verses such as Luke 18:1-8 to say at some point believers will be like the widow and ask to be avenged.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 10, 2023

grafted branch said:
Yes, I personally don’t think it ever will be correct to ask God to avenge. However there are some people here in this area of the forum who think a time will come when believers will ask to be avenged. They use verses such as Luke 18:1-8 to say at some point believers will be like the widow and ask to be avenged.

I think it has more to do with the way you "ask"

I would not say asking directly for vengeance is the Christian thing to do.

However, turning the other cheek and letting God punish them may yet be.

grafted branch · Jan 10, 2023

Michael Collum said:
I think it has more to do with the way you "ask"

I would not say asking directly for vengeance is the Christian thing to do.

However, turning the other cheek and letting God punish them may yet be.

I don’t think asking for vengeance is the Christian thing either.

My thoughts were that those who ask for vengeance are under the law. A person under the law can make a legitimate request to be avenged but a person under grace forgives, as God for Christ’s sake has forgiven them.

Jonaitis · Jan 10, 2023

"Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds."
- 2 Timothy 4:14

It is biblical to ask God to avenge you, as many figures in the Scriptures, including Paul in the quote above, did. However, it is not the best response for the Christian. It is better to seek out and pursue the welfare of your enemies as this reflects Christ in us.

Zao is life · Jan 11, 2023

I voted "Other, please explain", because:

Romans 12 - we must not avenge ourselves:
17 Repay no one evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it is possible, as far as is in you, seeking peace with all men.
19 not avenging yourselves, beloved, but giving place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
20 Therefore if your enemy hungers, feed him. If he thirsts, give him drink. For in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

2 Thessalonians 1-God will avenge us:
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay tribulation to those who trouble you,
7 and to give rest with us to you who are troubled, at the revealing of the Lord Jesus from Heaven with the angels of His power,
8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ,

So the question of the martyrs under the altar must be understood in the light of the above scriptures. They know God is going to, and will avenge their blood, so they're asking how long it will be before God does so. Nothing wrong with their question.

disciple Clint · Jan 11, 2023

grafted branch said:
This question came up on another thread in regards to Revelation 6:10 where the souls are asking the question of how long till their blood is avenged for. I’m specifically asking about praying for this on earth, not in heaven. Regardless of any end time position, I would like to see what others think.

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ozso · Jan 11, 2023

I think it's okay to ask for justice and that God's will be done in the matter. Meaning you let go of vengeance on your end and hand it over to God to do with it as He wills to bring about justice.

Let go, let God.

YahuahSaves · Jan 11, 2023

grafted branch said:
a time will come when believers will ask to be avenged.

You might be interested to know this:

"It represents the millions of martyrs who were killed by the Roman Empire, especially the Smyrna church martyrs who Emperor Diocletian persecuted for 10 years, from 303-312 A.D. Their blood is crying out for the Lord to avenge their deaths." The Fifth Seal Of Revelation 6

Zao is life · Jan 11, 2023

YahuahSaves said:
You might be interested to know this:

"It represents the millions of martyrs who were killed by the Roman Empire, especially the Smyrna church martyrs who Emperor Diocletian persecuted for 10 years, from 303-312 A.D. Their blood is crying out for the Lord to avenge their deaths." The Fifth Seal Of Revelation 6

Why wouldn't those under the altar represent all the martyred across the last two millennia?

YahuahSaves · Jan 11, 2023

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
Why wouldn't those under the altar represent all the martyred across the last two millennia?

If you click the link in my post it goes into detail.

Zao is life · Jan 11, 2023

YahuahSaves said:
If you click the link in my post it goes into detail.

Thank you. It's like me in a supermarket. I won't see it if it's right in front of me.

Maria Billingsley · Jan 11, 2023

grafted branch said:
This question came up on another thread in regards to Revelation 6:10 where the souls are asking the question of how long till their blood is avenged for. I’m specifically asking about praying for this on earth, not in heaven. Regardless of any end time position, I would like to see what others think.

I would not recomend praying for revenge upon others. This defies God's will, that we love our enemies.
Blessings.

YeshuaFollower · Jan 11, 2023

grafted branch said:
This question came up on another thread in regards to Revelation 6:10 where the souls are asking the question of how long till their blood is avenged for. I’m specifically asking about praying for this on earth, not in heaven. Regardless of any end time position, I would like to see what others think.

IT is GOD that will avenge, we have no part in it.

Blessings,

JFF

grafted branch · Jan 11, 2023

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
So the question of the martyrs under the altar must be understood in the light of the above scriptures. They know God is going to, and will avenge their blood, so they're asking how long it will be before God does so. Nothing wrong with their question.

Thanks for your explanation.
There is one thing about Revelation 6:10 that doesn’t make sense to me.

When I get to heaven I don’t anticipate asking Jesus who his mother was or what city he was born in. I think 99.9% of all Christians know the answers to these questions because the Bible tells us and we believe it to be absolutely true.

When martyrs get to heaven apparently they are going to ask how long till they are avenged knowing fully well what the answer already is because Revelation 6:11 tells us. I think logic tells us the 5th seal takes place prior to or at the time of the writing of Revelation.

YahuahSaves · Jan 11, 2023

grafted branch said:
I think logic tells us the 5th seal takes place prior to or at the time of the writing of Revelation.

You may be interested in reading the link I reference in post #10

DavidPT · Jan 11, 2023

grafted branch said:
When martyrs get to heaven apparently they are going to ask how long till they are avenged knowing fully well what the answer already is because Revelation 6:11 tells us. I think logic tells us the 5th seal takes place prior to or at the time of the writing of Revelation.

IMO, the key to figuring out when it is meaning that they cry out like that, is found in the fact that it is when they are told to rest yet a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Since it doesn't seem reasonable that a little season might mean a great length of time, such as thousands of years, therefore, it seems more probable that it is likely meaning 42 months, which would be a little season in comparison to thousands of years.

In my view, maybe not in your view, once this little season is fulfilled, I am convinced that that is the end of saints being martyred, as in, no saints will ever be martyred again. Assuming I'm correct, one for sure can't place the time of this little season in the first century or something. I simply do not see it making one bit of sense, that once this little season is fulfilled, there will still be saints being martyred after that. Clearly then, or at least to me anyway, this little season fits in the final days of this present age.

YahuahSaves · Jan 11, 2023

DavidPT said:
Assuming I'm correct, one for sure can't place the time of this little season in the first century or something.

Check the link in post #10

grafted branch · Jan 11, 2023

YahuahSaves said:
You may be interested in reading the link I reference in post #10

Thanks for the link, I did take a look at it.

Is it Biblically correct to ask God to avenge for you when you have been wronged?

Is it Biblically correct, on earth, to ask God to avenge for you when you have been wronged?

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