Duel Distinction

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The Lord Jesus revealed two distinct lines of truth. In the first, He presented Himself as Israel’s Messiah and called upon that nation for their long-predicted national repentance, in which He also declared the character of His earthly kingdom rule and Himself as the Fulfiller of the great Messianic purposes. At that time He said of Himself, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Mat 15:24). In sending out His disciples He commanded them, saying, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Mat 10:5, 6).

In the second, when Israel’s rejection of Him became apparent, He began to speak of His departure and Second Advent, and of a hitherto unannounced age which should intervene in which the Gospel should be preached in all the world to Jew and Gentile alike, and His disciples whose messages had before been restricted to Israel alone, were then commissioned to declare the glad tidings to every creature. A slight comparison of His farewell address to Israel; “. . . hated of all nations” (Mat 23:37; 25:46)—with His farewell word to those who had “believed on Him to the saving of their souls” (Heb 10:39; Jn 13:1-17:26) will disclose the most evident distinctions between Israel and the Church. Such contrasts could be drawn from the Gospels almost indefinitely, and without those distinctions in mind only perplexity can characterize the one who reads with attention.

In His death and resurrection the same two different objectives are discernable. To Israel His death was a stumbling block (1Co 1:23), nor was His death any part of His office as King over Israel—“Long live the King”! Yet, in His death Israel had her share to the extent He dealt finally with the sins committed aforetime, which sins had been only covered according to the provisions of the Old Testament atonement (Israel’s sins were forgiven by the sacrifices which were type and shadow of Christ’s Blood - Ro 3:25; Heb 9:15).

By His death the way was prepared for any individual Jew to be saved through faith in Him; and by His death a sufficient ground was secured whereon God will yet “take away” the sins of that nation at a time when “all Israel will be saved” (Ro 11:27). However, the nation Israel sustains no relation to the resurrection of Christ other than that which David foresaw, namely, that if Christ died He must be raised again from the dead in order that He might sit on David’s throne (Ps 16:10; Act 2:25-31). Over against that, it is revealed that Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it (Eph 5:25-27), and that His resurrection is the beginning of the New Creation of God, which includes the many sons whom He is bringing into glory (Heb 2:10).

In that New Creation relationship, the believer is in the ascended Christ and He is in the believer. This twofold unity establishes an identity of relationship which surpasses all human understanding. It is even likened by Christ to the unity which exists between the Persons of the Godhead (Jn 17:21-26). By the baptism of the Spirit, wrought, as it is for everyone, when one believes (1Co 12:13), the saved one is joined to the Lord (1Co 6:17; Gal 3:27). By that union with the resurrected Christ he is made a partaker of His resurrection Life (Col 1:27), is translated out of the power of darkness into the kingdom of the Son of His love (Col 1:13), is crucified, dead and buried with Christ, and is raised to walk in newness of life (Ro 6:2-4; Col 3:1), is now seated with Christ in the heavenlies (Eph 2:6), is a citizen of heaven (Phl 3:20), is forgiven all trespasses (Col 2:13), is justified (Ro 5:1), and blessed with every spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ (Eph 1:3).

This vast body of truth, which is but slightly indicated here, is not found in the Old Testament, nor are the Old Testament saints ever said to be related thus to the resurrected Christ. It is impossible for these great disclosures to be fitted into a theological system which does not distinguish the heavenly character of the Church as in contrast to the earthly character of Israel (Israel—new earth representative; Church—new heaven representative—NC).


—L S Chafer








MJS daily devotional for Dec 22

“How often do we find believers plunged into the very depths of distress and darkness as to their spiritual condition and prospects! So many do not as yet see the application of the death of the Lord Jesus to their old man. They do not realize the glorious truth that in that death they were delivered from this present evil world, from the dominion of sin and the law, and from the power of the enemy.

“All believers see that the Blood of the Lord Jesus screens them from the judgment of God; but most do not as yet see that they are ‘dead unto sin’ in the Lord Jesus; that their ‘old man was crucified with Christ’; that not only have their sins been put upon Him at the Cross, but they themselves, as sinful children of Adam, have been personally identified with Him in His death unto sin; that God pronounces them dead and risen with Him. But if this foundational truth is not apprehended by faith, there is no bright, happy, emancipating sense of full and everlasting salvation.” - Charles Henry Mackintosh (1820-1896)
 

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The Lord Jesus revealed two distinct lines of truth.
Contraire. . .there is one line of truth going all the way back to Adam.

Authoritative NT apostolic teaching is that:
1) God has only one people, going all the way back to Abraham, the ekklesia (assembly, church) in the desert (Ac 7:37), the one olive tree, the church (Ro 11),
2) from which unbelieving Israel has been cut off and believing Gentiles have been grafted in.
3) Israel has only one destiny, to be grafted back into the one olive tree IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).
4) The everlasting, eternal Kingdom of God (Lk 1:33) was set up during Jesus' first coming (Lk 11:20).
5) The one and only everlasting, eternal Kingdom of God is not material, but invisible and spiritual (Lk 17:20-21).
6) It being everlasting, eternal, there is only one, and no other, Kingdom of God. . .God does not have two different kingdoms.

Any teaching contrary to the above is derived from personal interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles (Nu 12:8).
Any teaching not in agreement with the above is contrary to authoritative NT apostolic teaching and is in error.
 
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Contraire. . .there is one line of truth going all the way back to Adam.

Authoritative NT apostolic teaching is that:
1) God has only one people
When Scripture uses the phrase "people of God," it's referring to Israel; when Scripture refers to Christians, it's "children of God." Generally, Israel is never referred to as children of God, because they only believe in God and not Christ.
 
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When Scripture uses the phrase "people of God," it's referring to Israel; when Scripture refers to Christians, it's "children of God."
Who made that rule?

The apostolic rule (Ro 11) is that all are one people, going back to Abraham, and into which it is Israel's destiny to be grafted back (Ro 11:23).
Generally, Israel is never referred to as children of God, because they only believe in God and not Christ.
"Generally" does not make it a rule, in addition to its contradiction demonstrated above.
 
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Who made that rule?

The apostolic rule (Ro 11) is that all are one people, going back to Abraham, and into which it is Israel's destiny to be grafted back (Ro 11:23).

"Generally" does not make it a rule, in addition to its contradiction demonstrated above.
You never see the OT call the Jews the children of God, but children of Israel. The only one's who are one peoples are the believing Jews and Gentiles. God has plans for Israel (Jews who don't believe in Jesus), with a final new covenant, which is again after law (Jer 31:33; Eze 36:27).

Christians will have no law but of the Spirit (Gal 5:23; Rom 8:2).
 
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You never see the OT call the Jews the children of God, but children of Israel.
Which does not alter authoritative NT apostolic teaching that the one people of God, the one olive tree, goes back to Abraham (that means Jews) and includes all who believe in Christ, including Jews (Ro 11).

Any interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:8) in disagreement with NT apostolic teaching is in error.
 
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Which does not alter authoritative NT apostolic teaching that the one people of God, the one olive tree, goes back to Abraham (that means Jews) and includes all who believe in Christ, including Jews (Ro 11).

Any interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:8) in disagreement with NT apostolic teaching is in error.
But I'm just saying there are two groups of the people of God. We can't forget Israel, the nation that God has His hand on to bring them back into fellowship with Him later. They are still saved, but are out of fellowship with God.

After 4 thousand years of working with them, and considering the Bible is 90% Jewish, God has nothing more to do with them? They believe in Him (Jn 14:1) but not in Jesus, which is more that what can be said of the world where most do not believe in God!
 
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But I'm just saying there are two groups of the people of God.
NT apostolic teaching is that there is only one group of the people of God, the one olive tree going back to Abraham (Ro 11), that there are not two groups in the people of God, for there is no distinction in God's people, all are the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:28-29).

To be God's truth, our theology must be in agreement with NT apostolic teaching, which this is not.
We can't forget Israel,
According to NT apostolic teaching we can't distingish among those in Christ.
the nation that God has His hand on to bring them back into fellowship with Him later. They are still saved, but are out of fellowship with God.
However, that is contrary to NT apostolic teaching. We don't get to alter that for the sake of our theology.
After 4 thousand years of working with them, and considering the Bible is 90% Jewish, God has nothing more to do with them? They believe in Him (Jn 14:1) but not in Jesus, which is more that what can be said of the world where most do not believe in God!
Which according to NT apostolic teaching now counts for nothing, all that matters for all men in salvation from condemnation (Ro 5:18) is only one thing--faith in and trust on the saving work (blood, Ro 3:25) and person of Jesus Christ (Jn 3:18) for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," declared righteous (sentence of acquittal), which is justification.

Jesus said all those who reject him are condemned already (Jn 3:18).
You are trying to conform Scripture to your theology, rather than conforming your theology to Scripture.

Feel free to show how you are in agreement with NT apostolic teaching in Ro 5:18, Ro 3:25, Gal 3:28-29, Jn 3:18.
Nor have you addressed NT apostolic teaching in post #2 at 4), 5), 6).
 
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