Ezekiel 39, the two events Gog/Magog and Armageddon

Douggg said:

In Ezekiel 39 there are two major end times events.

1. Gog/Magog, which takes place when Israel is at peace. This is noted in Ezekiel 38, in the latter days, latter years. Ezekiel 39:1-6 is the destruction of Gog's army. Then the cleanup of the land ending in verse 16.

2. Armageddon, which takes place when Israel is in great tribulation. Ezekiel 39:17-20, which is the same as Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.

The 7 years following Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Revelation.

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How can Gog and Magog have anything to do with the Antichrist if Gog and Magog do not appear until after the millennium? The Antichrist will be destroyed by Jesus shortly before the millennium.

Daniel 8:11-14 has already been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes. He is the little horn.

The Messiah who makes the sacrifices stop in the middle of the week is Jesus, who by his sacrificial death ended the temple service forever.

Douggg said:

The 7 years following Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Revelation.

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How can the tribulation be the 7 years of clean up? Tribulation has severe judgments. 42 months are given to the AoD. Ezekiel's Gog and Magog already happened. John's Gog and Magog is another event, 1,000 years later.

The war of Gog from Magog

Ezekiel 38 & 39 refers to an alliance of Northern peoples, formed to invade the holy Land, sometime during these latter days. Scholars differ as to who these peoples/nations are, but no reference is made to Israel’s present immediate neighbours – the Arab Islamic nations and entities, such as Hamas. The reason why they are not included in this alliance, is the fact that they will have already suffered an earlier massive defeat, the Psalms 83 fire from the Lord; His Day of wrath. Revelation 6:12-17

The passage in Ezekiel 38:11-13 describe Israel as:

1/ A people dwelling securely – not the case at present.

2/ A nation at peace – all of the nations now surrounding are outright or potential enemies.

3/ Dwelling without walls – in modern terms: with undefended borders.

4/ An extremely wealthy and prosperous nation, blessed by the Lord – not true of the Jewish State of Israel.

This shows that His people, Christian Israelites, will be in the Land after the clearance instigated by the Lord; His terrible Day of fiery wrath..
In the new nation of Beulah, occupying all of the holy Land, Isaiah 62:1-5


Ezekiel 38 & 39 are both describing the same event, an attack upon the Lord’s people, by a leader known as Gog, from the ‘far reaches of the North’. He is mentioned again in Revelation 20:8-9 which uses Ezekiel’s prophecy to portray another, final attack against Israel. The result of this battle is that all are destroyed by fire and Satan is finally judged. Some differences are:

1/ The first battle involves only a few nations, the last will be every nation.

2/ There is no mention of Satan in Ezekiel 38-39, but in Revelation 20, he is the primary character.

3/ The Ezekiel battle says the dead will be gathered and buried for 7 months. The armies at the end of the Millennium are cremated instantly, by fire from heaven.

4/ The battle in Ezekiel is used by God to display His power. In Revelation, people have been faithful to God for 1000 years. Those in Rev 20:7-10 who are rebellious are killed without any more opportunity for repentance.
The second chapter of Joel up to verse 28, is a sequence of events.

Verse 1- 11 is the Day of the Lord’s vengeance/ Middle East devastation/ Sixth Seal.

V 12-17 A call for the repentance of His people. V 18-19 They gather into the Land.

V 20 The Gog and Magog war. V 21-26 People of Zion, rejoice, I shall recompense you.

V 27 You will know that I am present in Israel and I am your God. This verse parallels Ezekiel 39:28 It is by His deeds that He is known, not by His presence, until His Return, after the Tribulation, therefore, all the above happens before Jesus Returns.

Joel 2:18-20 Then, the Lord showed His ardent love for His Land and was moved with compassion for His people. He answered their appeal and gave them food in plenty. I shall expose you to the danger of attack no longer. I shall remove the Northern peril [Gog and Magog] far from you, into the desert areas. The leading troops will be near the Dead Sea and the rearguard by the Mediterranean. Their rotting stench will rise up! The Lord has done great things!

Douggg said:

When you visited Israel, did you wear your helmet and flak jacket? If not, that's probably because there is not a war going on in Israel, since the 70's. About 50 years ago.

But we will see. I don't think I will be able to change your mind regarding the scenario you have developed.

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There has been continuous wars. overt and covert ever since Israel became a nation. They have built massive walls for protection and have one of the best trained and equipped militaries in the world. This is absolute proof that the Jewish State will not be who Gog will attack.

I will admit to being a bit nervous and my wife much more so, about living in Israel for the exact three months allowed. In 2009.
However, we had a great time and never felt in any danger.

It is your mind that needs to be changed. Changed to conform with what the Prophetic Word actually says.
Ezekiel 38 makes it clear that the people who Gog attacks, will not be the current inhabitants.

Douggg said:

The first 7 months of the 7 years is clean up and burying the dead bodies, into a mass grave site.

The rest of the seven years would not be the same kind of clean up, but burning the implements of Gog's war machine instead of burning wood. I think that means bruning the diesel fuel left in the vehicles, tanks, etc, for heat and cooking. Some of which would be during the great tribulation by those Jews wise enough to flee to the mountains when that abomination of desolation statue image is setup.

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Look at Syria for the last 12 years......
List all the nations who had foot soldiers on the ground.

The things described in Ezekiel 38 & 39 can only happen in the millennium reign of Christ. It and Revelation 20 (to me) described the same event from two different perspectives. So everyone is waiting for a war that's not going to happen till after the millennium. The real question is why? Why is Israel be lead to believe that a Gog / Magog war is about to happen?

Douggg said:

In Ezekiel 39 there are two major end times events.

1. Gog/Magog, which takes place when Israel is at peace. This is noted in Ezekiel 38, in the latter days, latter years. Ezekiel 39:1-6 is the destruction of Gog's army. Then the cleanup of the land ending in verse 16.

2. Armageddon, which takes place when Israel is in great tribulation. Ezekiel 39:17-20, which is the same as Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.

The 7 years following Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Revelation.

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The one battle, not 2 different battles instead.

For example. Doing an exact phrase search for--mountains of Israel---the following are the results.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel , which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel :

Ezekiel 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel , thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Ezekiel 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood


Just from this alone it is already plainly obvious that only one battle is in view here, thus all of the above are involving the same events.

Why would anyone argue, as pertaining to this, for example?---(even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood)---that that is meant for someone not even mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39, rather than someone mentioned in these two chapters, such as is mentioned here---(will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel---Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel---I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured)

How can---(even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood)---not be pertaining to this---(will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel---Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel---I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured)----but instead is pertaining to events not even mentioned in these two chapters. How can anyone find that to be reasonable that Ezekiel 39:17-20 is involving a battle and people not even mentioned in these two chapters, rather than a battle and people who are mentioned in these two chapters?

I don't know why some interpreters apparently must think everything in the OT pertaining to prophecies is always in chronological order or something, which appears to be one reason you are seeing more than one battle here? Just because Ezekiel 39 records verses 11-16 first, then verses 17-20, that hardly means that verses 17-20 are the aftermath of another battle rather than the battle that led to the aftermath involving verses 11-16.

Emun said:

How can Gog and Magog have anything to do with the Antichrist if Gog and Magog do not appear until after the millennium? The Antichrist will be destroyed by Jesus shortly before the millennium.

Daniel 8:11-14 has already been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes. He is the little horn.

The Messiah who makes the sacrifices stop in the middle of the week is Jesus, who by his sacrificial death ended the temple service forever.

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Gog of Ezekiel 38 & 39 clearly is before the millenium:

If this is after the millenium, that means that during the millenium God is allowing His name to be profaned by Israel?

Gog of Revelation 19 is something clearly different.

The Daniel 8 Little Horn (Dan 8:11-14) is explicitly said to be for the 'latter days'


Daniel 8:10 has a clear connection to Revelation 12:4.

Douggg said:

The Armageddon feast is also found in Revelation 19:17-18, with the same type of wording as in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

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The eating of dead bodies by the carnivorous beasts and birds, as cited in both the Gog attack and at Armageddon, is just metaphorical
A way of saying those dead people have no value, are worthless.

Proved by how there are now virtually no birds or beasts of that type extant in the Middle East.

Douggg said:

Which, when the chapter reaches verses 17-20, Gog's army is already buried and in the mass grave. So, when Ezekiel is told to prophesy in verse 17, it is about another judgment.

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Same war, Douggg.
Just a reference back to their total wipeout.
Armageddon is another attack that gets wiped out.

keras said:

The war of Gog from Magog

Ezekiel 38 & 39 refers to an alliance of Northern peoples, formed to invade the holy Land, sometime during these latter days. Scholars differ as to who these peoples/nations are, but no reference is made to Israel’s present immediate neighbours – the Arab Islamic nations and entities, such as Hamas. The reason why they are not included in this alliance, is the fact that they will have already suffered an earlier massive defeat, the Psalms 83 fire from the Lord; His Day of wrath. Revelation 6:12-17

The passage in Ezekiel 38:11-13 describe Israel as:

1/ A people dwelling securely – not the case at present.

2/ A nation at peace – all of the nations now surrounding are outright or potential enemies.

3/ Dwelling without walls – in modern terms: with undefended borders.

4/ An extremely wealthy and prosperous nation, blessed by the Lord – not true of the Jewish State of Israel.

This shows that His people, Christian Israelites, will be in the Land after the clearance instigated by the Lord; His terrible Day of fiery wrath..
In the new nation of Beulah, occupying all of the holy Land, Isaiah 62:1-5


Ezekiel 38 & 39 are both describing the same event, an attack upon the Lord’s people, by a leader known as Gog, from the ‘far reaches of the North’. He is mentioned again in Revelation 20:8-9 which uses Ezekiel’s prophecy to portray another, final attack against Israel. The result of this battle is that all are destroyed by fire and Satan is finally judged. Some differences are:

1/ The first battle involves only a few nations, the last will be every nation.

2/ There is no mention of Satan in Ezekiel 38-39, but in Revelation 20, he is the primary character.

3/ The Ezekiel battle says the dead will be gathered and buried for 7 months. The armies at the end of the Millennium are cremated instantly, by fire from heaven.

4/ The battle in Ezekiel is used by God to display His power. In Revelation, people have been faithful to God for 1000 years. Those in Rev 20:7-10 who are rebellious are killed without any more opportunity for repentance.
The second chapter of Joel up to verse 28, is a sequence of events.

Verse 1- 11 is the Day of the Lord’s vengeance/ Middle East devastation/ Sixth Seal.

V 12-17 A call for the repentance of His people. V 18-19 They gather into the Land.

V 20 The Gog and Magog war. V 21-26 People of Zion, rejoice, I shall recompense you.

V 27 You will know that I am present in Israel and I am your God. This verse parallels Ezekiel 39:28 It is by His deeds that He is known, not by His presence, until His Return, after the Tribulation, therefore, all the above happens before Jesus Returns.

Joel 2:18-20 Then, the Lord showed His ardent love for His Land and was moved with compassion for His people. He answered their appeal and gave them food in plenty. I shall expose you to the danger of attack no longer. I shall remove the Northern peril [Gog and Magog] far from you, into the desert areas. The leading troops will be near the Dead Sea and the rearguard by the Mediterranean. Their rotting stench will rise up! The Lord has done great things!

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Yes, Gog's army is the locust army of Joel and the locusts of Revelation 9's 5th Trumpet.

Gog attacks at the start of the Trumpets on the Feast of Tabernacles. This is the beginning of the Day of the Lord's wrath.

Ezekiel 38:18 Now on that day when Gog comes against the land of Israel, declares the Lord GOD, My wrath will flare up.


'Blowing the ram's horn' = the start of the Trumpets, start of the 5th Trumpet locusts.

The 'Lord's army' is the 200 million man army of the 6th Trumpet which is a reference to Psalm 68:17-24.


This starts off the time of the 2 witnesses 1260 days and continues in Joel 2:13-19.

There is some mystery here as there are 4 years of locusts (the 5 months + the 3.5 years) mentioned in Joel 2:25.

As to who Gog is attacking, I would interpret this as Christian Israel represented by the US (Russia attacking the US/ the Medes vs Babylon), not the current nation state of Israel, although they will be attacked by the Psalm 83 10 horn coalition also. One could make the argument that this 'Christian Israel' is Mystery Babylon who is destroyed at the 2nd Trumpet.

BillCody said:

The things described in Ezekiel 38 & 39 can only happen in the millennium reign of Christ. It and Revelation 20 (to me) described the same event from two different perspectives. So everyone is waiting for a war that's not going to happen till after the millennium. The real question is why? Why is Israel be lead to believe that a Gog / Magog war is about to happen?

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Ezek 38
God is not going to show himself as holy to Israel until after the millenium?

keras said:

Armageddon is another attack that gets wiped out.

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IMO, Armageddon is what is in view here, in both ch 38 and 39. How can Ezekiel 39:17-20 not be involving the same supper of God that Revelation 19 is involving? Do not both involve God destroying men of war? Do not both involve becoming bird food, so to speak?

Which then means, though I realize most interpreters disagree, the 7 months burying the dead, the 7 years burning the weapons, this fits at the beginning of the millennium, not during the time of great tribulation like some interpreters insist. Which then makes sense how it leads to what is recorded in Isaiah 2, that nation shall no longer come against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. One reason being, all of the weapons of war have been burned.

Amils might argue, if true, how then does one explain the battle after the millennium? Easy. None of that is involving nation warring with nation, nor is it involving literal weapons of war, such as tanks, missiles, etc. Therefore, it is not contradicting anything in Isaiah 2 pertaining to that in particular. It simply involves being deceived by satan after the thousand years thinking they can somehow overthrow Christ and His one world government that has been ruling the earth during the millennium.