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We often hear that only Jesus, being fully God, was able to drain the dregs of God's cup of wrath in three hours on the cross. However, this seems to be only a popular belief.

I want to ask you Universal Reconciliationists (or whatever you prefer to be called), do you think it is possible that a reprobate can suffer God's eternal wrath in the same manner before reaching ultimate reconciliation? Like, Jesus paid in advanced our sins who believe, but those who don't, they would possibly undergo that sort of punishment quick, even though it would seem eternal? Does one have to be God-man to suffer in such a short period what would be eternal to endure? Is there any verses to back this up?
 
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Jesus the Christ suffered and died on His cross. One of the two thieves crucified with Him came to his senses, and was promised to be with Jesus in Paradise. The other thief did not come around, and his fate is not given. My expectation is that he will suffer corrective punishment after his resurrection - but in the fullness of time, he will also be saved. I always keep I Corinthians 15:28 in mind, though I could add much more in the way of Scriptures. It is late. I'm tired. Maybe later...
 
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Jesus the Christ suffered and died on His cross. One of the two thieves crucified with Him came to his senses, and was promised to be with Jesus in Paradise. The other thief did not come around, and his fate is not given. My expectation is that he will suffer corrective punishment after his resurrection - but in the fullness of time, he will also be saved. I always keep I Corinthians 15:28 in mind, though I could add much more in the way of Scriptures. It is late. I'm tired. Maybe later...

Matthew 7:21-23​
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus did not say everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus said "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, ...shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." Then Jesus said, "Many will say to me in that day, [Judgement day] Lord, Lord, have we not ... in thy name done many wonderful works?"
But Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
When Jesus says "Never
" He means never, not some day by and by.
 
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We often hear that only Jesus, being fully God, was able to drain the dregs of God's cup of wrath in three hours on the cross. However, this seems to be only a popular belief.

I want to ask you Universal Reconciliationists (or whatever you prefer to be called), do you think it is possible that a reprobate can suffer God's eternal wrath in the same manner before reaching ultimate reconciliation? Like, Jesus paid in advanced our sins who believe, but those who don't, they would possibly undergo that sort of punishment quick, even though it would seem eternal? Does one have to be God-man to suffer in such a short period what would be eternal to endure? Is there any verses to back this up?
Awesome topic, thanks.
I suppose this leads us into defining the atonement. (1 John 2:2)

In my view, Jesus paid the penalty of sin, which is death. He was the only one who could pay this penalty for all of humankind.
Therefore, the afterlife has nothing to do with us PAYING a debt that has ALREADY been PAID in FULL.
(sorry for the ALL CAPS -- I'm not hollering, just giving emphasis)

As I see it...
Initially, the afterlife will be spent resolving the issues of our lives. Preparing us to enter the glory of heaven.
Not a punitive experience, but painful in a sense, to answer for, and deal with, all that we have said and done.
The focus will be on healing and restoration. But with our whole lives laid bare before everyone to see and hear.
Which is torment enough in my view. And a completely appropriate consequence. IMHO

This interview video gives a better explanation than I can give. And answers many other questions. Well worth a watch.

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Enjoy this interview with Brad Jersak where he discusses many questions like when salvation occurs, why did Jesus have to die, where did death come from, what did the early church believe about the after-life, etc.
 
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