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Question is:How does one refrain and conquer sexual immortality?

Hello everyone so I have been struggling with lust and sexual immortality,I have had sex with my girlfriend before marriage and I want to know if there is a solution and what do I need to do to not fall into lust and sin.Also I feel guilty and sad even though I know God forgives me .
Thank you for any answers!
 

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Topic is Sexual immortality

Question is:How does one refrain and conquer sexual immortality?

Hello everyone so I have been struggling with lust and sexual immortality,I have had sex with my girlfriend before marriage and I want to know if there is a solution and what do I need to do to not fall into lust and sin.Also I feel guilty and sad even though I know God forgives me .
Thank you for any answers!
You might consider asking a moderator to move this to a Christians Only sub-forum.
 
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Topic is Sexual immortality

Question is:How does one refrain and conquer sexual immortality?

Hello everyone so I have been struggling with lust and sexual immortality,I have had sex with my girlfriend before marriage and I want to know if there is a solution and what do I need to do to not fall into lust and sin.Also I feel guilty and sad even though I know God forgives me .
Thank you for any answers!
Get married
 
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That makes sense, but what if the Lord doesn't send a quality and True Christian woman (or man) in our direction? I'd really love to be married again so that I don't fall into these kinds of sin, but I can't actually find a True, Christian woman that is available and one that has the same feelings for me that I might have for her. Now THAT'S a problem! :idea:
 
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Don't beat yourself up over it. Practically everybody is or has been in the same boat.

Most people think it is no big deal, you know.


It is a big deal. Don't tell him that it's not a big deal to overcome his vices.

Before you sin, the devil will tell you that it's no big deal. But after you sin, the Devil will tell you it is unforgivable what you did.

Neither of these are true. It is not acceptable to engage in sexual immorality, but it is not unforgivable. It is true that you should not beat yourself up over it, but you should always vigilantly strive to resist evil. Each sin we commit, we make ourselves guilty of Christs passion.
 
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If this thread were in one of the Christians Only forums you would not get my viewpoint.

This is a forum on Ethics and Morality. There are other views on sexual morality than the Christian one. What consenting adults do in private, within the law, is nobody's business but their own with the single proviso that they do no harm to anybody else.
 
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If this thread were in one of the Christians Only forums you would not get my viewpoint.

This is a forum on Ethics and Morality. There are other views on sexual morality than the Christian one. What consenting adults do in private, within the law, is nobody's business but their own with the single proviso that they do no harm to anybody else.

Oh sorry I am new to the forum.

Forgive me for saying this, but these types of arguments are pretty bad I think.

Saying things like "if X person wants to do Y immoral thing I don't really care as long as it doesn't affect me" is stupid because first of all, it absolutely does affect you. If a person for example, has been culturally altered by their habit of giving into the vice of lust, then the way they treat others and the way they treat you will be affected as well.

So you can SAY that it doesn't affect others, but that doesn't make it true. if you wish to argue that they should be permitted to do these things and no one should question it. I would say to you that no one really can question it unless it is made known.

But one can still disagree with the actions that people take in the privacy of their bedrooms, or homes, or anything else.

This idea that people shouldn't comment because it's "nobody's business" is a very worn-out and cliche thing to say, it's practically a meme and I think you should find a better talking point.
 
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So you can SAY that it doesn't affect others, but that doesn't make it true. if you wish to argue that they should be permitted to do these things and no one should question it. I would say to you that no one really can question it unless it is made known
Is everything wrong until we can show that it isn't? I'd say, rather, that an action is fine until you can demonstrate that it affects others (badly).

In the meantime, it's no one's business but the actor and the actor's consenting partners.
 
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Is everything wrong until we can show that it isn't? I'd say, rather, that an action is fine until you can demonstrate that it affects others (badly).

In the meantime, it's no one's business but the actor and the actor's consenting partners.

Hi thanks.

No I never said something is wrong until we can show that it isn't. So we're on the same page there.

I was just pointing out that the cliche saying of "what they do in private doesn't affect you" is very silly and a bad talking point/argument.

Whether or not you believe certain sexual behaviors are right or wrong are another issue entirely. So I'd also agree with you that it's fine to do things in private until it can be shown to be wrong or harmful.
 
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No I never said something is wrong until we can show that it isn't. So we're on the same page there.

I was just pointing out that the cliche saying of "what they do in private doesn't affect you" is very silly and a bad talking point/argument.

Whether or not you believe certain sexual behaviors are right or wrong are another issue entirely. So I'd also agree with you that it's fine to do things in private until it can be shown to be wrong or harmful.
Good. But, it's not a silly argument. It's simply a different articulation of the idea "until it can be shown to be wrong".
 
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Good. But, it's not a silly argument. It's simply a different articulation of the idea "until it can be shown to be wrong".

With your qualifier it's definitely not silly but a lot of these people really do just say this and then basically say they don't care if it's actually wrong or not, because either way they think it doesn't affect anyone else.
 
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With your qualifier it's definitely not silly but a lot of these people really do just say this and then basically say they don't care if it's actually wrong or not, because either way they think it doesn't affect anyone else.
But that is not what I said. I was careful to indicate that actions that are harmful to others are wrong. This point is central. I would be grateful if you did not repeat the assertion that my point was 'silly' and then misrepresent it.
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Just say to your body, " Christ does not submit to his bride, neither will my spirit man continue to submit to my flesh."

Just avoid those hidden places and situations that can cause some stuff.
 
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Don't have sex with anybody unless you are already treating it like a very serious commitment, or a marriage, etc... And then at some point, if you feel the need to, or if you absolutely have to have that piece or paper, or legal document to be that way with or toward someone in your heart, etc, that God already knows, etc, then do it then, or make it so-called "official" then, etc...

Otherwise, don't have sex with anyone, etc...

Even if the woman says it's "flippant", or doesn't mean anything to her, etc, don't believe her, etc, because most women don't truly mean it, etc, and that is the main reason why I won't do it unless I am already ready to fully commit, which is probably not going to happen for me again at this point in my life ever again anymore now, etc...

God will have you give an account for the damage you do to people (women) in that area, or if you treat it flippantly, or leave behind you a trail of damaged people/broken hearts that were in any way made that way in part or in whole by you, etc...

But if you do truly and fully commit to someone (a woman) in your heart, but she cheats, or leaves, or breaks her end of the commitment you feel truly irreparably, etc, then at that point you are free to go if you want, if you feel your hands are truly clean in the matter, etc...

But just know that "God knows" (the truth) regardless, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Speaking entirely from within a Christian context, what ought to be a Christian sexual ethic? I am rather convinced that the starting place has to be the full and entire dignity of the human person; and the freedom of the human person. Any system of thought that reduces the human person to an object is inherently dehumanizing and destructive. In that sense, puritanicalism and hedonism are fundamentally the same thing: Both are acts of indulgence by which to claim ownership of another person; as ultimately the result is viewing a person as an object, a thing to be possessed. Rather than a person to be ministered to.

Now, if it is unclear what I mean by "minister", I am using the somewhat literal sense of "render service to".

In other words, a Christian sexual ethic regards one's own relation toward another as "I for thee" rather than "Thee for me".

And this is where I think much of modern Christian discourse on the subject of sexuality misses the mark considerably. Sexuality tends to be reduced into a kind of moralistic view. Thus one finds language in which a person who ceases to be a virgin prior to marriage is spoken of as though they have become less-than, as though a person's value is ultimately only attributable to their ability to become the sexual property of another.

I've seen some, and myself heard similar when I was younger, that speaks as though "sexual sin" is the "greatest sin". And all manner of strangeness, without real biblical or theological support is provided. E.g. attempting to use the language of marriage in Genesis as "becoming one flesh" and extract the strange idea that when two people engage in sexual intercourse they lose a part of themselves, literally, and then really do become literally less-than they were. That if someone has premarital sex then they have become "less than" and thus have something less to offer to their future partner. These are deeply dangerous ideas that are psychologically and spiritually harmful.

Christian ethics emphasizes, instead, that self-control and self-restraint are good things because the indulgence of our passions can, and frequently does, lead to harm. Because through the passions we de-humanize other people by not loving them and respecting them as full human persons. So when in ordinary Christian practice and teaching we confess that marriage is a sacred mystery by which two persons commit to one another to minister to one another out of love, it is not that the one possesses the other, or that sex renders one less-than; but that we are called to restrain our passions in every area of life out of love for others, and so sexuality is not a special case as opposed to say other forms of human passion. Though we should recognize that the sexual exploitation of others can be and usually is far more harmful than some other forms of exploitation. But as long as the language is that of puritanical, coercive, objectification it ceases to be a Christian ethic and is simply another expression of indulgence, another indulgence of those very same passions.

Analogy by speaking of another passion of the flesh: Greed. We confess in the Christian Church that we should not seek to hoard wealth, and to cheefully and happily give of what we have for the benefit of others, especially the least of these. If someone comes along and tells us that, yes, giving is good and greed is bad, doing so in order to ultimately line their own pockets, they may use the language of generosity to coerce others to giving to them--they are merely indulgeing their own greed and so all their talk of generocity and giving is empty and morally bankrupt. What is the difference, then, between the greed-hungry who uses generosity as a tactic to take possession than the one who tries to use "sexual purity" as a tactic to take ownership and possession of another? And that, is, I believe, precisely the kind of thing we often see in much of the contemporary discourse on sexuality in the modern Church.

It is not an ethos borne of charity, but one borne out of sin and indulgence. And the natural recourse is that people, when pressed under for too long, will respond, and often respond quite profoundly. And without recognizing this as a symptom of a deeper malady, one--essentially--just pours salt in the wound and runs the infection deeper--applying harsher pressure causes more harm.

I'm not sure that this post explains my thoughts as well as I was hoping. But I am hoping to try and address what I think is a very large issue--and one that I don't think is being handled particularly well when everything is being reduced to mere moralism.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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