"Repent of your sins to be saved" is false, works salvation

Cockcrow · Oct 28, 2022

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Indeed, repentance means to change one's mind. And it is impossible to truly believe in Jesus Christ without changing your mind about your ungodly lifestyle and sinful actions. Repentance doesn't mean "you have to feel sorry for what you have done in the past", it means that you turn around 180°, face God and change your mind about your behaviour to please God from now on.

that is not what the Bible says at all, the word repent simply means change of mind. in terms of pleasing God, Hebrews 11:6 says without faith it is impossible to please him. if you're trusting in your works as the reason for your salvation that is not faith in the Son and not pleasing God. we do good works because we love Jesus, want to avoid chastisement in this life, and earn eternal rewards. we don't do good works because works save us. our works don't save anybody.

timothyu · Oct 28, 2022

d taylor said:
All uses of repentance is in connection with sin, repenting from sin/sins.

Sin is nothing but putting our will ahead of the will of God. In doing so we often seek satisfaction of self rather than care for or about others. We have it backwards. Repentance sends us back through the looking glass.

Cockcrow · Oct 28, 2022

d taylor said:
All uses of repentance is in connection with sin, repenting from sin/sins.

that is not true, God repented Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." he didn't turn from sin, he turned from his wrath. repent doesn't automatically mean "of your sins" that would be adding to Gods word.

Cockcrow · Oct 28, 2022

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:

here we see the word repent is not a good thing, they are repenting from doing the right thing, and turning back.

the word repent just means change of mind, change of direction.

God repented 35 times in the KJV. in fact God repented more than any other person in the Bible. and we know he doesn't sin.

people falsely add "of your sins" every time they see the word repent, and that's why they get this false works salvation, they are adding to scripture.

HTacianas · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
the Bible is not saying that only our past sins are forgiven, that is not what the Bible teaches at all, when we believe on Christ all of our sins are forgiven not just our past sins, Jesus died once for all sins.

Jesus was clear those who believe on him hath (present tense) eternal life. and the Bible says we can know we have eternal life 1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

James 2 is not talking about a works salvation, it is talking about being justified in the eyes of man, it isn't saying before God. James doesn't contradict Paul and the rest of the Bible, which says salvation is by faith with no works.

you say there is no free ticket to heaven, Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Revelation 22:17 And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

salvation is a free gift, it is the gift of God by grace through faith, it is not by our own filthy rag works.

"teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen."

nobody is saying we shouldn't teach people to observe all the commands, but that is not how one receives salvation and sadly in this day most people think you must observe commands in order to have eternal life, so we have to go out and spend time teaching the truth to people, that salvation is paid for by Jesus Christ on the cross, and is a free gift, not by works that we do.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You are making another classic mistake, and that is in not understanding what is meant by "the law", as in "if righteousness come by the law" and "justified by the law". It speaks to the "law of righteousness" of the old testament. That law of righteousness has nothing to do with obeying commandments, it is the ancient sacrificial laws and laws of ritual purity that have never been a part of Christianity. Those laws are over now and one cannot be "justified by the law" and neither does "righteousness come by the law". You now want to turn that into a complete abrogation of all law, and that simply isn't the case.

We cannot simply come up with some idea one day then go cherry-picking through the bible looking for support for it. It has to be taken as a whole. Again, there is no free ticket to heaven.

Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

Rom 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Cockcrow · Oct 28, 2022

HTacianas said:
You are making another classic mistake, and that is in not understanding what is meant by "the law", as in "if righteousness come by the law" and "justified by the law". It speaks to the "law of righteousness" of the old testament. That law of righteousness has nothing to do with obeying commandments, it is the ancient sacrificial laws and laws of ritual purity that have never been a part of Christianity. Those laws are over now and one cannot be "justified by the law" and neither does "righteousness come by the law". You now want to turn that into a complete abrogation of all law, and that simply isn't the case.

We cannot simply come up with some idea one day then go cherry-picking through the bible looking for support for it. It has to be taken as a whole. Again, there is no free ticket to heaven.

Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

Rom 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

the law doesn't save anybody. only Jesus' work on the cross saves, his blood saves us from wrath. it is not about any works we do on our part as to why we are saved. Jesus gets all the glory for salvation

Friedrich Rubinstein · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
that is not what the Bible says at all, the word repent simply means change of mind. in terms of pleasing God, Hebrews 11:6 says without faith it is impossible to please him. if you're trusting in your works as the reason for your salvation that is not faith in the Son and not pleasing God. we do good works because we love Jesus, want to avoid chastisement in this life, and earn eternal rewards. we don't do good works because works save us. our works don't save anybody.

It seems like you are confusing a change of mind (repentance) with a work (an act). Changing my mind about something is not a work. Just like faith is not a work.
As I said, you cannot believe in Jesus and still maintain that you can live as you please. Your mindset regarding sin is directly linked to your mindset regarding Jesus' death and resurrection. You can't have one without the other.
You are trying here to separate two inseparable things.

DaveM · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
I get so sick of the ROYS preaching that you must do two things to be saved: Repent of all your sins, and oh yeah also believe on Christ.

sounds like you are comfortable of not turning from you sin or knowing Jesus, is that correct?

timothyu · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
only Jesus' work on the cross saves, his blood saves us from wrath

His 'work' on the cross opened a door (to the new Kingdom) previously unavailable as death was a dead end (pun intended). That was salvation as a whole from a previous dead end, but not personal salvation.

HTacianas · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
the law doesn't save anybody. only Jesus' work on the cross saves, his blood saves us from wrath. it is not about any works we do on our part as to why we are saved. Jesus gets all the glory for salvation

Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Aussie Pete · Oct 28, 2022

timothyu said:
What do we repent of.. change our ways about? Is it sin which is simply the act of putting our will ahead of the will of God or something else? As a result of repentance don't we change that, reverse it and put our allegiance with God instead of the world man has made in our image? Curious.

To truly repent means to realise that we are sinners. The individual sins that we commit are not the issue. We are dead in trespass and sin. When we see that, the response will be, "What must I do?" We accept Christ crucified as the atonement for our sins. The resurrected Christ causes us to be born again. Very often, it is only after we are born again that many sins become clear to us.

BrotherJJ · Oct 28, 2022

I agree with the OP writer. Under new covenant doctrine repent isn't about personal sins.

I wrote a short blog in 2020 that agrees with the OP post. Find here:

Repent Simplified

timothyu · Oct 28, 2022

Aussie Pete said:
To truly repent means to realise that we are sinners. The individual sins that we commit are not the issue. We are dead in trespass and sin. When we see that, the response will be, "What must I do?" We accept Christ crucified as the atonement for our sins. The resurrected Christ causes us to be born again. Very often, it is only after we are born again that many sins become clear to us.

Ok or, we reject putting our will ahead of the will of God ( the original and only sin which causes us to do all the self oriented wrongs we do) which He has asked us to do since the Garden and do His will instead. I'll take what Jesus said in his two commandments as referenced here.

Cockcrow · Oct 28, 2022

Aussie Pete said:
To truly repent means to realise that we are sinners. The individual sins that we commit are not the issue. We are dead in trespass and sin. When we see that, the response will be, "What must I do?" We accept Christ crucified as the atonement for our sins. The resurrected Christ causes us to be born again. Very often, it is only after we are born again that many sins become clear to us.

that is found nowhere in scripture. nowhere does it say we need to "truly repent" to be saved, no repent (change your mind) and believe the gospel.

d taylor · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
that is not true, God repented Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." he didn't turn from sin, he turned from his wrath. repent doesn't automatically mean "of your sins" that would be adding to Gods word.

Repentance and Salvation in the Old Testament – Grace Evangelical Society

Does Your Mind Need Changing? Repentance Reconsidered – Grace Evangelical Society

d taylor · Oct 28, 2022

Cockcrow said:
that is not true, God repented Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." he didn't turn from sin, he turned from his wrath. repent doesn't automatically mean "of your sins" that would be adding to Gods word.

What’s the Difference Between Repentance as a Change of Mind And Repentance as Turning from Sins? – Grace Evangelical Society

NBB · Oct 29, 2022

'Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves.'
Neither....

Cockcrow · Oct 29, 2022

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
It seems like you are confusing a change of mind (repentance) with a work (an act). Changing my mind about something is not a work. Just like faith is not a work.
As I said, you cannot believe in Jesus and still maintain that you can live as you please. Your mindset regarding sin is directly linked to your mindset regarding Jesus' death and resurrection. You can't have one without the other.
You are trying here to separate two inseparable things.

I believe in repentance, the biblical definition of repentance which is change of mind. Repent and believe the gospel. I do not believe in repentance if you're going to say that repent means turning from sins, which it does not, and the Bible shows over and over again God repenting, and we know God cannot sin. That is my problem with the "Repent of your sins to be saved" lie.

as for living a good life, Romans 4:5 proves that the one who does zero works yet believes on Christ is still saved.

living a good life, cleaning up your life of sin is not how we are saved. there are none righteous, James 2:10 says if we offend at one point we are guilty of all, so it is useless trusting our works to be saved. we are saved by Jesus shed blood on the cross, and he offers us the free gift of salvation, and we believe on him. it is not by works of righteousness or turning from sins.

the gospel is that we are sinners, yet Jesus died for us. Jesus died for the sins of the world so that whosoever will believe on him for their salvation, will receive the free gift of salvation by grace through faith. without Christs imputed righteousness then one is not going to heaven and they will pay for their sins in hell for all eternity.

Cockcrow · Oct 29, 2022

NBB said:
'Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves.'
Neither....

the Bible says that all liars have their part in the lake of fire, have you told a lie before? yes? then we have a problem... thankfully Christ died for our sins so that whoever believes on him can be justified before God through Christ's atoning sacrifice. without Christ there remains no more sacrifice for sin, and the punishment is eternity in hell, and it is everlasting punishment, not separation from God, and will go on forever.

When it comes to our eternal salvation:

Faith in Christ = Saved, forgiven

Faith in Works = Not Saved, going to hell to pay for all sin and every idle word

Faith in Works + Christ = Not saved, going to hell to pay for all sin and every idle word

Repent = change of mind

Repent + Believe the gospel = Saved

Repent of your sins + Believe = Not saved

Repent and believe the gospel simply means to repent from unbelief or false belief, and believe the true grace through faith gospel of Christ.

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