Does all/ pas mean all or some?

Saint Steven said:

Speaking of superiority, should one posture themselves to be the apex of knowledge? Why would one devalue the positions of other Christians by claiming that what they believe is "myth"? Hard to imagine a more self-inflating claim about others.

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You are always in this forum, in the same topic,
saying the same things, so who is posturing to
be the apex? If someone is going to write
"the restitution of all things", without scripture
reference it will result in someone actually quoting the
scripture, and knowing what the prophets were saying. It isn't a universal restitution, it is the restoration of Israel. Until the Law and the prophets support a
position, then obviously to me it is a myth. If I am wrong, then I have devalued only myself.
Has nothing to do with devaluation of a person, it is
love of the truth, and the dodging that goes on when
alternative interpretations are presented in these
"controversial" topics. You are going to have to appeal to something more than "feelings".

Saint Steven said:

Do you really think it makes sense to claim God would prefer everybody to be in torment for eternity rather than "everybody lives happily ever after"? Seems blasphemous to infer that God is a cosmic tyrant of the worst sort. Yikes!

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Never spoken, or inferred. YIKES back at ya!
Did you really feel you would devalue my beliefs
with statements that I do not support?
My position, based on the Righteous Judgment of God.
Justice For The Poor-Reforming the Traditional View of Salvation

FineLinen said:

Do you have any concept of what "all things" means? Israel is NOT all things!

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Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The prophets of Israel were speaking of Israel.

FineLinen said:

Do you have any concept of what "all things" means?

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Do you have any concept of what Justice means?
Well do the scriptures speak on this:
Malachi 2:17 You have wearied the Lord
with your words; Yet you say,
“In what way have we wearied Him?”
In that you say,
“Everyone who does evil
Is good in the sight of the Lord,
And He delights in them,”
Or, “Where is the God of justice?”
Malachi 3:
13 Your words have been stout against me, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?

14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the Lord of hosts?

15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

Spoken Against!

Saint Steven said:

There is no such thing as "in Adam". There is such a thing as "in Christ", but that's not the use here.
Furthermore, there are other phrases here that need to be addressed.
"For as in..." (Adam) meaning: in the same way
"... so in..." (Christ) meaning: in the same way
In what way is all being applied?

Furthermore, if you claim that "in Christ all will be made alive.", this infers that not ALL (or, not any) in Christ are currently alive, but will be in the future.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

cc: @FineLinen @public hermit

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Your argument is against the Word of God, not me!

Minister Monardo said:

Do you have any concept of what Justice means?

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Do you? You seem to see justice as the opposite of mercy. That may be true you and me but you need to stop projecting onto God. God's Justice is always Merciful, and His Mercy always Just. They are not opposing characteristics of His nature where He has to decide between being merciful or being just. His nature is wholly unified.

Hmm said:

God's Justice is always Merciful, and His Mercy always Just.

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Nice try. Catchy though.
James 2:13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.

For the record, God's judgment is measured back
in accordance with what you have meted out
to others, especially towards the afflicted.
Matthew 7:
1 Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

FineLinen said:

Justice =

Righteousness, justification, salvation.

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Justice is deliverance for the oppressed (whom God loves), and punishment for their oppressors (whom He hates).
Deuteronomy 7:
9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keeps covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

10 And repays them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hates him, he will repay him to his face.

Psalm 11:
5 The Lord tries the righteous: but the wicked and him that loves violence his soul hates.

6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

7 For the righteous Lord loves righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

Minister Monardo said:

Nice try. Catchy though.
James 2:13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.

For the record, God's judgment is measured back
in accordance with what you have meted out
to others, especially towards the afflicted.
Matthew 7:
1 Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

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Whatever floats your boat

FineLinen said:

Our Father loves the whole world, not part of it, ALL.

His love for the whole world results in deliverance for the whole world.

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Except for the ones it is clearly stated that He hates.

FineLinen said:

The whole world is the whole world. There are no excepts, God loves the entire world, the good, the bad & the ugly.

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Thank God for His word of truth.

Hmm said:

It seems that for SOME, not ALL luckily, if the Good News is too good, it becomes a fairy tale, and that the message has to be tough for it to be true. But that's a misunderstanding of grace which means to give abundantly and even wildly.

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Yup, absolutely. Reminds me of this song.

Reckless Love (Official Lyric Video)

Minister Monardo said:

... Until the Law and the prophets support a
position, then obviously to me it is a myth. ...

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The "Law and the prophets"? Wow.

Luke 16:16 NIV
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.

John 1:17 NIV
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

rwb said:

Your argument is against the Word of God, not me!

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Preposterous.
My rebuttal was biblically based. See below.

Galatians 4:16 NIV
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

Saint Steven said: ↑
There is no such thing as "in Adam". There is such a thing as "in Christ", but that's not the use here.
Furthermore, there are other phrases here that need to be addressed.
"For as in..." (Adam) meaning: in the same way
"... so in..." (Christ) meaning: in the same way
In what way is all being applied?

Furthermore, if you claim that "in Christ all will be made alive.", this infers that not ALL (or, not any) in Christ are currently alive, but will be in the future.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

cc: @FineLinen @public hermit

rwb said:

Your argument is against the Word of God, not me!

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The Word of God is Christ, who died for all humanity since nothing can separate us from the love of God in Jesus Christ. There can be no arguments against the Word of God; Christ has overcome the world and its arguments. But if you insist, I will have to point to 1 Cor. 15:22 where the word of God, which gives witness to the Word of God, states that "in Christ all will be made alive."

Minister Monardo said:

You are always in this forum, in the same topic, saying the same things...

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Not true. I am on many topics, saying many things.

Minister Monardo said:

... If someone is going to write
"the restitution of all things", without scripture
reference it will result in someone actually quoting the
scripture, and knowing what the prophets were saying. It isn't a universal restitution, it is the restoration of Israel. Until the Law and the prophets support a
position, then obviously to me it is a myth. If I am wrong, then I have devalued only myself.
Has nothing to do with devaluation of a person, it is
love of the truth, and the dodging that goes on when
alternative interpretations are presented in these
"controversial" topics. You are going to have to appeal to something more than "feelings".

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The restoration of all things

Matt 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Acts 3:21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. Rom 8:20-21 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Isa 65:17 "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!"

Malachi 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.