Does all/ pas mean all or some?

John Owen said:

Right. Salvation for Women as well as Men, Dark skinned as well as light skinned. Etc.

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Amen!

rwb said:

You are overlooking "in Adam" and "in Christ". All in Adam do indeed die, because this is our destiny since sin and death through sin entered into God's creation.

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There is no such thing as "in Adam". There is such a thing as "in Christ", but that's not the use here.
Furthermore, there are other phrases here that need to be addressed.
"For as in..." (Adam) meaning: in the same way
"... so in..." (Christ) meaning: in the same way
In what way is all being applied?

Furthermore, if you claim that "in Christ all will be made alive.", this infers that not ALL (or, not any) in Christ are currently alive, but will be in the future.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

cc: @FineLinen @public hermit

Minister Monardo said:

Has God made provision for ALL of creation?

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FineLinen said:

Yah has not simply made provision, He declares He will draw all mankind into Himself in the ages to come.

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Minister Monardo said:

In this present age, has He made provision for ALL?

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FineLinen said:

In this present aeon our ABBA has made provision for the good, bad & ugly. Most have zero grasp of our God

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Minister Monardo said:

And it is the provision for all that is supported
by the scriptures you have cited. They speak nothing
of the outcome described in the prophets, which
reflects the impact of man's free will.

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A superior way is meaningless if it is falsified
to support an "everybody lives happily ever
after" myth. Speaking words that are flesh,
not spirit.
The birthright of natural man.
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh;
yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.

Carnal commands for a flesh covenant.
Genesis 17:
10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;
11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
13...and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

John 3:
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you,
You must be born again.

Hebrews 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Flesh has no claim to everlasting life!
Earthly wisdom has no place in the kingdom
of God!
John 3:
31 He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.
32 And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony.
33 He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

John 8:
23 And He said to them, You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I Am,
you will die in your sins.

Hmm said:

Yes, it does. So what is the context of the second "all" in:

"for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ."
1 Corinthians 15:22 NRSV

It's the "all" who died in Adam, i.e. all, unless you're maintaining that we didn't all die in Adam.

If a different category applies to the second "all" than for the first, what is it and why would Paul have expressed himself so unclearly?

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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

That is a great example of both.

The first all, is all w/o exception. The second is all with distinction …the distinction being “in Christ”.

And like I indicated in my post to Saint Steven, I don’t know if my terminology is grammatically accurate, but it works for me …. and maybe someone has a better way of putting it.

As far as your question …. I don’t know if it’s Paul or the Greek language. The adverb (pantos) does reflect all in totality…..but it’s a good question.

For my purposes…. I will just refer to the context to distinguish.

FineLinen said:

The restitution of all things is not an everybody lives happily ever after!

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Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Which OT prophecies are you referencing?
Surely the Septuagint uses pas.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony!
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

FineLinen said:

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

Even so = kai hoyto(s)

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ALL are offered, some receive, some reject.
The (radical?) ALL (how much terminology has
to be made up to support this) pertains to
God's provision, not man's response.
This whole "ALL" argument is a non-starter.
It cannot cancel out the Law, the prophets
and Psalmists. 'There is no rest for the wicked'.

sandman said:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

That is a great example of both.

The first all, is all w/o exception. The second is all with distinction …the distinction being “in Christ”.

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In that case it would say, using your translation, "even so all in Christ shall be made alive" but it doesn't. It says "in Christ shall all be made alive" No distinction is being made.

It's so clear actually that any attempt to explain it just complicates it.

FineLinen said:

The Hebrew prophets placed the universalism of Yah’s rule at the center of their vision for the future. They beheld Yah to be a universal ruler, not merely a local god who reigned in Jerusalem; they understood prophets to be messengers of Yah to the nations; they expected a universal messiah who would bring all the nations to Yah; and they lived through historical circumstances that were to be fulfillments of this promise.

Micah envisions nations streaming to Yahweh in Jerusalem. Habakkuk said that “the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea” (Hab 2:14). Zephaniah sees a day when all will call on the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord” (Zeph 3:9). Zechariahspeaks of many peoples and strong nations coming to seek the Lord in Jerusalem (Zech 8:22, Zech 12:3). Isaiah spoke of the day when all the nations would stream to the house of God (Isa 2:2-4) and finally be delivered from death itself (Isa 25:6-8).

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And what of the Righteous Judgment?

FineLinen said:

Nonsense 101!

God offers nothing! He is the Author of all, He is the Finisher of all.

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He offers a choice. YOU seem to be making it
for all. You have not that authority, but it is a
nice try. Not Truth.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live.

Hmm said:

In that case it would say, using your translation, "even so all in Christ shall be made alive" but it doesn't. It says "in Christ shall all be made alive" No distinction is being made.

It's so clear actually that any attempt to explain it just complicates it.

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I see where you are at …good point.
We certainly can’t argue semantics with versions… that’s kind ridiculous.

I was looking at this verse as an ellipsis, but I believe according to the surrounding context that you are correct.

Minister Monardo said:

A superior way is meaningless if it is falsified
to support an "everybody lives happily ever
after" myth. Speaking words that are flesh,
not spirit.

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Speaking of superiority, should one posture themselves to be the apex of knowledge? Why would one devalue the positions of other Christians by claiming that what they believe is "myth"? Hard to imagine a more self-inflating claim about others.

Do you really think it makes sense to claim God would prefer everybody to be in torment for eternity rather than "everybody lives happily ever after"? Seems blasphemous to infer that God is a cosmic tyrant of the worst sort. Yikes!

Saint Steven said:

Speaking of superiority, should one posture themselves to be the apex of knowledge? Why would one devalue the positions of other Christians by claiming that what they believe is "myth"? Hard to imagine a more self-inflating claim about others.

Do you really think it makes sense to claim God would prefer everybody to be in torment for eternity rather than "everybody lives happily ever after"? Seems blasphemous to infer that God is a cosmic tyrant of the worst sort. Yikes!

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It seems that for SOME, not ALL luckily, if the Good News is too good, it becomes a fairy tale, and that the message has to be tough for it to be true. But that's a misunderstanding of grace which means to give abundantly and even wildly.