My point is their soul is still alive. No one has been thrown into the LOF at this time. One is either on one side of the gulf or the other. Common sense alone tells us that no one is thrown in only to be pulled back out for the final judgement only to be thrown back in. That's utter nonsense. So anyone that has died in the flesh has not yet suffered the second death.
They are resurrected and cast into the Lake of Fire. The Beast and the False Prophet go into the Lake of Fire alive.
They are alive but do not have Eternal Life, because they have never received the Life of Christ by being immersed into God, nor has God taken up residence in them.
The first death is our separation from God in this life. The Second death is separation from God eternally in the Lake of Fire.
In Hades, as in the Rich Man's case, only the spirit of the Rich Man is there. He is still a "soul" because he is still the person that physically died.
but when this man is cast into the Lake of Fire, he will be resurrected as taught in Revelation 20. Both body and soul (person) will be in torment forever.
Exactly, that's my point. It is the second "death" The first is the death of the flesh.
The flesh is irrelevant. You were dead before you were saved, yet you were alive physically.
All that are born into this world are dead, because they do not have the Life of God.
Only those who are born again have life.
The "first death" is not physical death.
I believe I did a few posts for you trying to explain that. Sounds like you are still trying to work this out with "common sense."
Spiritually dead or alive just means at that point in time. Someone can be spiritually dead now meaning if they haven't repented and accepted Christ they will suffer the second death. but when they come to know Christ, they have life spiritually speaking. And vice versa. There is such a thing as apostasy, etc. But regardless of that fact, this has nothing to do with the second death in the LOF. That is final.
"Spiritual death" is a myth created by other men using "common sense." It arrives out of a hyper-literal interpretation that says "If God said '...the day ye eat of it ye shall surely die' then they must have died that very day they ate of the fruit. And since they didn't die they must have 'died spiritually'."
Spirits don't die. We have not even the first glimpse of this concept in Scripture at all.
Adam didn't have to die that day for God's Word to be true. He said if they ate it they would surely die. It is no different than me saying "The day you understand the biblical concept of death you will surely grow in your understanding."
We see that physical death is in view as Adam's punishment, because he is thrust out of the Garden lest he eat of the Tree of Life and live forever:
Genesis 3:22-23
King James Version
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Romans 5:12-14
King James Version
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Adam doesn't create the spirit of men when God creates men through procreation, God does.
Use common sense about the concept of God creating dead spirits. Spirit is the life essence of man.
How does Adam "pass on" dead spirits?
"Death" in a spiritual sense is the absence of the Spirit that is the only One that is Eternal. We have spirits, but we do not have the Spirit of God. Not even Adam had eternal union with God. His loss of communion was not that He was in Christ, sinned, then was no longer in Christ. His loss of communion was exactly what God's Word states: he was thrust out of the Garden (and no longer walked directly with God Himself) and cut off from the Tree of Life, the only means of "everlasting life" he had.
Do we really have to have God spell it out for us?
Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
second death.
Revelation 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." The Lake of Fire is part of that equation. Again, do you really need it spelled out that everything will be passed away and everything new?
The wicked will be turned to stubble and ashes period. That's what a fire does.
As I said, if people want to believe that we will have a new heaven and earth which the old LOF still burning with people inside it for an eternity that's between them and God.
God doesn't even want people to die, he has no pleasure in "that' yet many believe he would do this. Oh well, I guess we'll find out....
Actually, God does in fact "spell it out for us, lol.
And nowhere do we see the Lake of Fire passing away.
If you read the text this creation passes away before men are cast into The Lake of Fire:
Revelation 20:11-15
King James Version
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
So you are in error to think that the Lake of Fire is "part of that equation.
God spelled it out for us.
The earth and the heavens (the universe) have fled. This is its passing away.
The "dead" have been resurrected yet have no life.
They stand before God to be judged.
They are cast into the Lake of Fire.
The Lake of Fire is a spiritual place, not a physical place we might get into a rocket ship and one day find. The dead, those without the life of Christ, are resurrected to fulfill Christ's teaching that God will destroy both soul (person) and body (the physical body) in Hell, the Lake of Fire.
I don't like it any more than anybody else, but I cannot change what God has spelled out for us so clearly. Human reasoning can make a lot of false doctrines palatable, but it doesn't make them true.
It is because men are to fear God casting them into Hell that I teach God will cast men into Hell if they do not obey the Gospel. And the descriptions of that judgment are not given in terms of annihilation nor are they taught to have anything but an ongoing duration.
God bless.