Can a person with Psychopathy or anti-social personality disorder become saved

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I highly suspect someone I know, who posed to be a christian for about 25 years may be psychopathic. They no longer are christians, or pretend to be a christian.
I still pray for them - should I give up? Is there a chance they cannot ever be saved?

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14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.
 
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Psychopaths can pretend to be Christian.
Real Christians can struggle with psychopathy.

For the latter [in the USA], see The Church & Mental Illness...

There are similar churches outside of the US.
 
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Well, it has seemed to me that a person with psychopathy or antisocial disorder can be capable of doing evil things.

But any sinner is capable of evil things.

And Jesus can save any person from his or her evil.

What works is how God changes our character so we love, instead of doing what is evil.

And Jesus prayed for people, right while they were busy with hating and torturing and murdering Jesus who is God's own Son >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)
 
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We know this body we live in can get sick we forget the mind can to. The lord knows this and sees what we never see the heart. So no matter what it might look like sound like. We then seem to for some reason only judge this one moment where the lord does and does not He sees the whole life when He found them. one moment we fall give up what have you does not mean what we think say it means. If that makes sense
 
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God can cure any disease or disorder and can reach anyone with any condition because he totally understands what it takes for anyone to accept him and create the optimum condition to give that person a chance but in the end he only makes it possible, not necessarily a walk in the park for anyone as we all have our demons that we have to fight in life and the power of the Holy Spirit can help us.
Remind yourself of the man that had a "herd" of demons in it that were allowed to be cast out into a herd of I think pigs who then ran off a cliff.
 
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I am not sure what your definition of antisocial personality disorder is. But I will address the issue of psychopathy, and the lesser forms of that disorder which are sociopathy and narcissistic personality disorder.

First, what progress have psychologists and psychiatrists seen with such people? Virtually none. MRI scans show that they have abnormalities in their brains. Like a lack of cortex in the empathy area of the brain.

What medicine or counseling can possibly give them new cortex?

Well of course there isn’t anything like that.

I would add an exception, in that some psychologists say that a covert kind of narcissistic personality disorder is not caused by an abnormality in the brain, but by childhood trauma.

As far as their eternal salvation is concerned, I would certainly think that the heavenly father would take into consideration the fact that they are actually physically sick.

Only he could determine to what extent the illness ruled, and to what extent they resisted it or turned to him for help.

But I would like to make some suggestions if you don’t mind. Don’t trust people with those disorders. They are generally pathological liars. They are known to enjoy hurting people. In fact, they are commonly sadistic.

Don’t trust them. Don’t even trust them around your animals as some of them have confessed to secretly abusing helpless little kittens and other animals. At the exact same time they may be presenting themselves as lovers of, and champions, for animals in public.

There are many videos on YouTube giving you advice, from psychologists and lay people, on how to deal with such people. Dr. Les Carter is one such, as is Dr. Ramini. As you watch such videos you will be no doubt see some of those disordered people in your lives, sometimes at work, sometimes in your family.

You can learn to spot such people and know how to handle them, and most of all how to avoid them.

if they are close members in your family, that is tough, but there are still ways to deal with them. You have to be the one to change in your approach, because they almost never change. Or at least that is what psychologists and psychiatrists are saying.

And by the way the consensus from mental health professionals indicates that domestic abusers are almost always suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, or sociopathy or psychopathy. That is why their counselors see them escalating in their abuse over time, rather than turning from it, even to the point of murder which is not that uncommon.

I think it is great to pray for those people. Of course. But not to trust them at all. I think it is great to love such people many times. But at a safe distance.

Many people think that they can pray for their abusers to be healed, in say, domestic abuse situations.

Yes they can pray. But what are the results? As mentioned above, the chances of those abusers changing is virtually nil, and the chances of them getting worse is great.

I am not saying that prayer can’t help. But I think it would take a mighty prayer warrior who can work miracles to help these people. And most people certainly don’t fall into that category.
 
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Christ tells us that we are responsible for every thought because thought can create action, action can create habit, habit can create character and character can create destiny. The chain can be broken at any point.
 
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I have wondered this. I do believe that one can go beyond the ability to be saved. They are not mentally sick, they are character disordered and know fine well what they are doing and that it is wrong.
If you are lacking some part of your body you have a sickness. If you are lacking some part of your brain, as in empathy cortex for one of several examples like autism or dementia, you have a sickness.

It seems to me that one problem with not acknowledging a physical brain abnormality for psychopathy, sociopathic, and narcissistic personality disorder, is that people then expect the disordered person to shape up and get better. Those with such expectations are setting themselves up for big disappointment. Maybe even serious danger danger.

Again, the statistics show that those disordered people almost never change, and frequently get worse with age. Instead of maybe berating them or judging them and saying they could change if they wanted to, why not learn strategies and how to deal with them, and also how to avoid them?
 
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Christ tells us that we are responsible for every thought because thought can create action, action can create habit, habit can create character and character can create destiny. The chain can be broken at any point.
We are responsible for our thoughts and actions. Like how we treat others. Let’s say someone has serious depression due to physical causes. That certainly happens.

Would you tell that person to control his or her thoughts and feelings and just be all better?

No. Life isn’t that simple.

For sure we know we are not to judge others and that the measure of mercy that we measure out to others, that’s how much mercy we’re going to get back from the Lord.
 
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We are responsible for our thoughts and actions. Like how we treat others. Let’s say someone has serious depression due to physical causes. That certainly happens.

Would you tell that person to control his or her thoughts and feelings and just be all better?

No. Life isn’t that simple.

For sure we know we are not to judge others and that the measure of mercy that we measure out to others, that’s how much mercy we’re going to get back from the Lord.
Medications can do the same thing. Many factors to consider.
 
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If you are lacking some part of your body you have a sickness. If you are lacking some part of your brain, as in empathy cortex for one of several examples like autism or dementia, you have a sickness.

It seems to me that one problem with not acknowledging a physical brain abnormality for psychopathy, sociopathic, and narcissistic personality disorder, is that people then expect the disordered person to shape up and get better. Those with such expectations are setting themselves up for big disappointment. Maybe even serious danger danger.

Again, the statistics show that those disordered people almost never change, and frequently get worse with age. Instead of maybe berating them or judging them and saying they could change if they wanted to, why not learn strategies and how to deal with them, and also how to avoid them?

Just because the brain shows a defect in these disorders, does not mean they are the cause of it. That is modern science disordered thinking. It could be the result of year after year of behaviour that renders one open to demons which changes the brain. Severe trauma in especially a young child changes the brain. It has been proven.

No they never change and the only answer is avoidance.
 
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Just because the brain shows a defect in these disorders, does not mean they are the cause of it. That is modern science disordered thinking. It could be the result of year after year of behaviour that renders one open to demons which changes the brain. Severe trauma in especially a young child changes the brain. It has been proven.

No they never change and the only answer is avoidance.
I did say that there is research showing that the covert type of narcissism is associated with childhood trauma. Yes, trauma is one more thing that can cause the brain to not be able to function correctly.
 
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