Why Israel has been set aside !

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And when a person is saved , Eph 2:8 we were CREATED for GOOD WORKS and in Heb 6:1 Israel was not to lay the foundation of Repentance FROM DEAD WORKS .

The Nation of Israel are called DEAD WORKS .

We , the BODY of Christ created for GOOD WORKS !!

The Old Test Believers in the Body of Christ did good works. Did Abraham the Father of the Faithful do good works ? James 2:21

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

What about Rahab the harlot
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Faith without works are dead, that goes for the OT Saints. And how many OT Saints had Faith and Works ? Read Heb 11 all those were members of the Body of Christ Israel
 
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The Old Test Believers in the Body of Christ did good works. Did Abraham the Father of the Faithful do good works ? James 2:21

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

What about Rahab the harlot
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Faith without works are dead, that goes for the OT Saints. And how many OT Saints had Faith and Works ? Read Heb 11 all those were members of the Body of Christ Israel

And did Adam and Eve faith and works ?

Was Adam and Eve saved ?

Notice that Heb 11:4 start , with , By faith Abel , and did Israel walk by FAITH , the answer is NO !!

I say that Adam and Eve were saved and Gen 3:21 prove it !!

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And did Adam and Eve faith and works ?

Was Adam and Eve saved ?

Notice that Heb 11:4 start , with , By faith Abel , and did Israel walk by FAITH , the answer is NO !!

I say that Adam and Eve were saved and Gen 3:21 prove it !!

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These are foolish questions. Israel abd the Church are the same, Gods redeemed people. Ps 130:8

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
 
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These are foolish questions. Israel and the Church are the same, Gods redeemed people. Ps 130:8

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


And Israel and the B O C will never be the same as many believe !

In Gal 3:28 and this verse proves it !

Verse 28 reads THERE CANNOT / OV is a DISJUCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and means just what it THERE CANNOT BE Jew nor Greek in the B O C .

Col 1:3:11 has the same wording , Where there CANNOT BE / OV Greek and Jew , whether they are circumcised or uncircumcised , but Christ is THE ALL THINGS / TA PANTA and in all .

TA PANTA the all things in the B O C only and all have to be PLACED into the Body of Christ as 1 Cor 12:13 reads .

dan p
 
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And Israel and the B O C will never be the same as many believe !

In Gal 3:28 and this verse proves it !

Vresen28 reads THERE CANNOT / OV is a DISJUCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and means just what it THERE CANNOT BE Jew nor Greek in the B O C .

Col 1:3:11 has the same wording , Where there CANNOT BE / OV Greek and Jew , whether they are circumcised or uncircumcised , but Christ is THE ALL THINGS / TA PANTA and in all .

TA PANTA the all things in the B O C only and all have to be PLACED into the Body of Christ as 1 Cor 12:13 reads .

dan p
Yes they are the same. Israel and the Body of Christ.
 
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Yes they are the same. Israel and the Body of Christ.
And what verse says that Israel and the B O C are the same and where did I miss it ?

And what is the Gospel that their Priest are Preaching, LAW or GRACE ??

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[QUOTE="Dan Perez, post: 76836420, member: 415470"]And what verse says that Israel and the B O C are the same and where did I miss it ?

And what is the Gospel that their Priest are Preaching, LAW or GRACE ??

dan p[/QUOTE]
The same verse that says they arent the same.
 
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[QUOTE="Dan Perez, post: 76836420, member: 415470"]And what verse says that Israel and the B O C are the same and where did I miss it ?

And what is the Gospel that their Priest are Preaching, LAW or GRACE ??

dan p
The same verse that says they arent the same.[/QUOTE]

And what verse is that ?

dan p
 
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And Israel and the B O C will never be the same as many believe !

In Gal 3:28 and this verse proves it !

Vresen28 reads THERE CANNOT / OV is a DISJUCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and means just what it THERE CANNOT BE Jew nor Greek in the B O C .

Col 1:3:11 has the same wording , Where there CANNOT BE / OV Greek and Jew , whether they are circumcised or uncircumcised , but Christ is THE ALL THINGS / TA PANTA and in all .

TA PANTA the all things in the B O C only and all have to be PLACED into the Body of Christ as 1 Cor 12:13 reads .

dan p

Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)



The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?


1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)


2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?


3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?


4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?


5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?


6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?


7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?


8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)


9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?



10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.



Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.


Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.


John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…


"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

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7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?

You making good points, let me ask you, were there any gentiles present at Peters preaching in Acts 2 ?

9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)

Yes I believe they are promoting a race salvation !
 
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The Old Test Believers in the Body of Christ did good works. Did Abraham the Father of the Faithful do good works ? James 2:21

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

What about Rahab the harlot
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Faith without works are dead, that goes for the OT Saints. And how many OT Saints had Faith and Works ? Read Heb 11 all those were members of the Body of Christ Israel
'But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'

(Heb 12:22-24)

Hello @Brightfame52,

Yes, the Old Testament saints, listed in Hebrews 11, had faith and proved it by their faith obedience. They like Abraham look for a city made without hands, the New Jerusalem, as part of the Bride of the Lamb, they will inhabit the New Jerusalem, and reign with Christ, being 'overcomers' in their generations. They will reign with Christ during the Millennial reign for 1,000 years, as reward for loving not their lives unto death, along with the 'overcomers' of the book of Revelation.

The verses above tell us that they had come to the general assembly and church of the firstborn. This is not the Church which is the Body of Christ. For at the time that the letter to the Hebrews was written, the revelation of God to Paul concerning the Church which is Christ's Body had not been revealed, it was, 'hid in God,' from the beginning of the world (Ephesians 3:9): and it's hope, as described, is very different to that of those in the book of Hebrews.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
risen and glorified.
Chris
 
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'But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.'

(Heb 12:22-24)

Hello @Brightfame52,

Yes, the Old Testament saints, listed in Hebrews 11, had faith and proved it by their faith obedience. They like Abraham look for a city made without hands, the New Jerusalem, as part of the Bride of the Lamb, they will inhabit the New Jerusalem, and reign with Christ, being 'overcomers' in their generations. They will reign with Christ during the Millennial reign for 1,000 years, as reward for loving not their lives unto death, along with the 'overcomers' of the book of Revelation.

The verses above tell us that they had come to the general assembly and church of the firstborn. This is not the Church which is the Body of Christ. For at the time that the letter to the Hebrews was written, the revelation of God to Paul concerning the Church which is Christ's Body had not been revealed, it was, 'hid in God,' from the beginning of the world (Ephesians 3:9): and it's hope, as described, is very different to that of those in the book of Hebrews.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
risen and glorified.
Chris
i believe u in error friend.
 
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