Doctrine of demons

ARBITER01 said:

Christians are not immune from demonic oppression, we live through it most of our lives. Demonic "possession" on the other hand, I don't think is possible since we are sealed with The Holy Spirit.

The unregenerate are able to have their will taken over by demonic forces, I don't see that happening with us.

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to whom you yield your bodies as servants to obey his servant you are .... from romans ..pp
give yourself over to sin and sin masters you again paul warns . and even in the unsaved a devil can only influence a person to do something if that person already desires sinfully to do it

Disciple_mike said:

to whom you yield your bodies as servants to obey his servant you are .... from romans ..pp
give yourself over to sin and sin masters you again paul warns . and even in the unsaved a devil can only influence a person to do something if that person already desires sinfully to do it

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I get what you're saying, but for the demonic to drive me into being full on murderous to other people,..... not happening.

That is only because we have the very nature of GOD inside us wanting us not to do such things.

Hidden In Him said:

Sorry, I was actually referring to the man with the infirmity at the pool of Bethesda, whom Jesus healed in Luke 5.

My implication was that demons were behind his ailment, though that was an assumption on my part and may not actually apply. His teaching on the swept house does, however.

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I think you mean John 5

ByTheSpirit said:

So probably not what you think the question is, but I'm curious. If someone you know was ministering to other people and then it later was revealed the one ministering had a demon, how would you view such an event and the group/denomination that supported them?

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To really answer your question,....

It depends on what sort of ministry they had with people. If they are involved in a ministry for kids, I think there could be a problem.

More than one Christian has been surprised to have demonic forces cast off of them over the years. We are in a war.

ByTheSpirit said:

So probably not what you think the question is, but I'm curious. If someone you know was ministering to other people and then it later was revealed the one ministering had a demon, how would you view such an event and the group/denomination that supported them?

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Satan comes as an angel of light. He is a deciever. False doctrine is authored by Him and spread by people who have not been regenerated by God's Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I doubt it is demon possession but rather, the influence over the weakness of the flesh by the adversary. As far as those who followed a false teacher, everyone is responsible for their own path and that includes discernment.
Blessings.

BPPLEE said:

I think you mean John 5

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That too, Lol.

Thanks for the correction. I still haven't fully woken up yet.

Hidden In Him said:

That said, demons hide behind human temptation and are actually the ones inciting it, so it's never really a matter of simply "acts of the flesh." They have their hand in it, it's just not as obvious here unless things get really bad.

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Not according to James they are not.

James 1:But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

hislegacy said:

Not according to James they are not.

James 1:But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

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There can be a demonic influence inciting it. I quit smoking back in '96, but every so often there will be a smell of cigarettes and a suggestive thought at the same time,..... that doesn't come from me or any of my desires.

hislegacy said:

Not according to James they are not.

James 1:But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

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Who do you think they are "drawn away" by? : )

The final decision is our own, and the desires they tempt us with are own own, but they are incited by demons.

ARBITER01 said:

There can be a demonic influence inciting it. I quit smoking back in '96, but every so often there will be a smell of cigarettes and a suggestive thought at the same time,..... that doesn't come from me or any of my desires.

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I once read an account by Harold Pittman about his being taken up in Spirit to second heaven and shown the activity of demonic spirits in the lives of men. He said we have an unseen group of followers in the spirit realm - some have many - and they all lie in wait for opportunities where they can incite us. He said the Lord revealed to him that the temptations of the enemy are never a random affair; that we are each targeted very specifically, each according to our own individual weaknesses and desires.

ARBITER01 said:

There can be a demonic influence inciting it. I quit smoking back in '96, but every so often there will be a smell of cigarettes and a suggestive thought at the same time,..... that doesn't come from me or any of my desires.

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Why did you smoke to begin with?

There was something about it you liked.

Why does the smell temp you today. Because there was something about it you liked.

Hidden In Him said:

Who do you think they are "drawn away" by? : )

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James says it plainly. Drawn away by their own desires. That is about as plain as it gets.

hislegacy said:

Why did you smoke to begin with?

There was something about it you liked.

Why does the smell temp you today. Because there was something about it you liked.



James says it plainly. Drawn away by their own desires. That is about as plain as it gets.

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Did I say that I accepted the temptation thrown at me since '96?

I was completely delivered from smoking,... so there is no more desire on my part, but something would love for me to fall back into it,.... I wonder what that is?

Hidden In Him said:

I once read an account by Harold Pittman about his being taken up in Spirit to second heaven and shown the activity of demonic spirits in the lives of men. He said we have an unseen group of followers in the spirit realm - some have many - and they all lie in wait for opportunities where they can incite us. He said the Lord revealed to him that the temptations of the enemy are never a random affair; that we are each targeted very specifically, each according to our own individual weaknesses and desires.

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Exactly. Their influence is way overboard nowadays.

These things are in the business to stop our progression. If a Christian is not being attacked in some way, they are no real threat to satan.

ARBITER01 said:

Did I say that I accepted the temptation thrown at me since '96?

I was completely delivered from smoking,... so there is no more desire on my part, but something would love for me to fall back into it,.... I wonder what that is?

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Just because you didn't accept the temptation doesn't mean the temptation was not there.

I just said there was something about smoking you found value in and that desire tried to come back.

What was it? Your flesh that you have to keep under.

Our flesh is not the devil.

hislegacy said:

Did I say you did?

I just said there was something about smoking you found value is and that desire tried to come back.

What was it? Your flesh that you have to keep under.

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My deliverance by Jesus was complete friend,... there is no more desire on my part. It is that unseen world attempting to drag me back into it.

If don't think you understand the demonic aspects of the world that well. These types of discussions always seem to find you arguing scripture against people instead of fellowshipping.

hislegacy said:

Not according to James they are not.

James 1:But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

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I believe this scripture is saying that being tempted and being drawn away (from God) are the same thing, and that the "by his own desires" is referring to the temptation being appealing to the carnal comfort of the individual being tempted. To begin with, this is all in the context of being tempted by riches according to the Worldly view of success. The actual point that is being made, is that in contrast to God, He is the Spirit in mankind that cares to the needs of others, rather than focusing on one's own comfort. Hence God does not tempt us to sin.

ARBITER01 said:

My deliverance by Jesus was complete friend,... there is no more desire on my part. It is that unseen world attempting to drag me back into it.

If don't think you understand the demonic aspects of the world that well. These types of discussions always seem to find you arguing scripture against people instead of fellowshipping.

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This is not a fellowship thread -

I apologize if scripture opposes your viewpoint. That is not my fault.

James also said
"But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded." Jam 4:6-8

If the enemy couldn't be a problem for believers, why resist him?

hislegacy said:

This is not a fellowship thread -

I apologize if scripture opposes your viewpoint. That is not my fault.

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And I apologize that you are unable to rightly divide scripture on these subjects.

It's very much a fellowship thread with everyone else, I guess your viewpoint doesn't find agreement.

tturt said:

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

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Oh my,.... it can't be that,... it must just be my flesh acting up again /sarc

Not addressing anyone.

Know one problem is some say "possessed" is more accurately translated "oppressed."

"Fof all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16

Eve did all 3 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Gen 3:6